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Posted: 19 Jun 04, 08:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

This has always been a gripe since the vinyl version of Innuendo was released: what was the real reason for editing some of the best songs on the album? It's like an unfinished painting! Think of people who discovered Queen by that album and thought those were the real versions of the songs only to find out years later when they purchased the CD that the songs were longer and better in content. I think it's the only Queen vinyl release (original, not including GH1 and 2) that featured condensed versions of songs. All of the Queen books I've got don't give a reason, so does anyone know?

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Posted: 19 Jun 04, 08:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

it a time thing, the songs got edited becuase, the time is limited on vinyl ,more so than a CD


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Posted: 19 Jun 04, 09:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I was quite annoyed to have 'I want it all' thinking 'Wow, this is great! Nothing can top this. NOTHING!'...then I happened to come across 'The Miracle' vinyl and fuck me dead that version was much better than the one I had. I screamed until my ears exploded.


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Posted: 19 Jun 04, 11:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"only to find out years later when they purchased the CD"

...Unless they have seen that statement on the back cover saying "* Songs edited for vinyl" (I know there are some edited tracks which were not marked with the *, but they are so slightly edited that I guess you were not referring to them).

In order to put the full lenght versions of the songs in acceptable quality on vinyl, the album should have been double, thus having a higher price.

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Posted: 19 Jun 04, 12:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yeah, supposedly it's a quality thing.. you can get the full length of the album on vinyl, but it's apparently better quality if the groove isn't so tightly engroovelated. Perhaps they made a test pressing and it sounded bad so someone suggested shortening the album.

Nevertheless, the U.K. "Greatest Hits" is roughly 5 minutes longer and apparently was just fine for a single album at such a length.

I would have suggested simply dropping one song rather than editing several. Perhaps 'All God's People' which so many of you don't like for whatever reason. Could have been a 'bonus' track on CD/cassette.

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Posted: 19 Jun 04, 15:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

In fact, that is the approach they used in THE MIRACLE, but as some fans complained...

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Posted: 19 Jun 04, 17:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Dicky Hart wrote:

it a time thing, the songs got edited becuase, the time is limited on vinyl ,more so than a CD.

The Love Boat wrote:

Yeah, supposedly it's a quality thing.. you can get the full length of the album on vinyl, but it's apparently better quality if the groove isn't so tightly engroovelated. Perhaps they made a test pressing and it sounded bad so someone suggested shortening the album.


Sorry guys, but these are no more than urban myths perputated by the recording Industry - so that you would go out and purchase the same old product again and again.

By the 1970's it was technically possible to store more than an hour of high quality music on an LP. (And as we all know - Innuendo clocks-in UNDER the 60 minute mark).

Have a look at this link:
http://www.quoratory.co.uk/0673ghsq.htm

GOLDEN HOUR GH 556 - GOLDEN HOUR OF STATUS QUO
Released June 1973, produced by John Schroeder.

Now this is only ONE example. In fact there are hundreds of examples of popular music LP's being over 60 minutes long - (The Golden Hour series alone produced c50 different titles - and that was without resorting to classical music titles!).

The real reason for the Innuendo edits was no more than a cynical marketing tool to double sales at the expense of loyal Queen fans. Those die-hards who purchased the CD (more than likely) bought the edited album (and vice-versa) also.

Queen by now, had become past-masters at the muti-sale technique. Not only was "The Works" milked dry of musical content as edits and remixes, but as in the case of "I Want To Break Free" milked as multi-picture sleeve releases too.

I should know, because I bought the lot!

Now, I have no problems with the fact that the same material was constantly recycled as commercial fodder - but please let's not go down the road of artistic merit or integrity - as I am a bit more intelligent than that!

In commercial terms - why sell only one unit when it is possible to shift four?

As a postscript: Kind of makes a mockery of Freddie "... we would never edit" Mercury!

PPS: No hate mail please! I am NOT having a go at Queen here, I am only responding honestly to an honest question - and hope that the answer helps!





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Posted: 19 Jun 04, 22:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yes, it does help and thanks so much! I thought Innuendo would have made a hell of a nice album package had it been a two-record set (with the gatefold full of illustrations and lyrics and two nice, glossy record sleeves for the vinyl). I was quite annoyed it wasn't released on vinyl in the US -- I had to buy it on cassette, which I still have (and it still sounds great almost thirteen -- gasp, has it been THAT long now?? -- years later) -- but I will never, ever understand record companies, though I worked for Capitol Records in the mid-80s (The Beatles' and Queen's then-new label). I even got to tour pressing plants in different states, which was a learning experience. Believe it or not, vinyl is still pressed today in the US but in very limited quantities. I still search for Queen vinyl on import or domestic whenever I can. I found a third-edition pressing (no gatefold) of Sheer Heart Attack (US release), still in the original shrinkwrap (I can tell rewraps from original shrink and this is genuine) for only $10 last weekend at a local used music shop. It will remain sealed too!!

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Posted: 20 Jun 04, 06:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yeah, good post John, spot on! Jacko did something similar with his Invincible album - different coloured covers...

I really hate when bands re-release an album a few months after the original with extra tracks on or with a bonus DVD! If you do it as a limited edition at the start, fair enough, but later on - it a rip-off! And because of this I will continue downloading these extra tracks for free. The record robdog companies can't expect it all their own way!


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Posted: 20 Jun 04, 12:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You are right, John, as always.

I agree that the main reason is, and always has been, a commercial one.

But surely it cost more, although just a bit more, to produce an hour of high quality audio on vinyl.

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Posted: 20 Jun 04, 13:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I know this is popular opinion, but I think we'd see a lot more releases if Queen or their record companies were only trying to milk things for whatever they could.

If so, why not take a legitimate situation where something went wrong and release a new version to correct it? I'm speaking of 'Rocks' of course. If their goal is to make people buy things multiple times, here's a solid opportunity. Remaster this and I'd surely buy it again in order to have a perfect copy.

I am hoping the compilations eventually become card sleeves. And 'Rocks' would be a great opportunity to correct the horrendous error as well as have both versions of cover art available... to make extra money.

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Posted: 20 Jun 04, 17:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"Rocks" on vinyl is absolutely AWESOME. The new version of ICLWY bounces off the walls and the vinyl is quiet like a Japanese pressing.
I can't understand why the 2004 Japanese CD reissues have cardboard sleeves. That can scratch a CD if one is not careful. It's like when I bought the 2001 set of 24K gold remastered CDs. They came in resealable paper sleeves with cellophane inserts -- yeech! The CDs went in jewel cases to protect them against any damage.
I was also appalled at cardboard sleeves in the Crown Jewels boxset as well. Nice to look at but hell to store a CD in!

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Posted: 20 Jun 04, 18:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Unfortunately the vinyl version contains the same Fat Bottomed Girls error. And I don't foresee any scratching problems with the card sleeves. They come with the same type of clear inner sleeves that were used with vinyl for years. They also include replicas of the original inner sleeves but they don't come with the discs inside those.

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Posted: 20 Jun 04, 18:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

About the cardsleeves: I think these releases are really aimed at collectors. I'm getting them just because they look great, not to play them. I'll probably play them once to check if they're ok, then rip them to high quality mp3s and put them back in the sleeves, which is where they'll stay.

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Posted: 20 Jun 04, 19:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The Love Boat wrote:

They come with the same type of clear inner sleeves that were used with vinyl for years. They also include replicas of the original inner sleeves but they don't come with the discs inside those.


Almost all Queen vinyl (US) had printed lyrics on the glossy inner sleeves (Queen I, ANATO and Jazz were the exceptions). The clear plastic sleeve was with the Mobile Fidelity half-speed masters (try and find one of those now!) and some imports other than UK. What did you think of the vinyl boxset that came out in the UK? I was very impressed with that packaging!

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Posted: 23 Jun 04, 14:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Did the Innuendo cassette also have the edited songs on too? And didn't somebody once say that some of the edits were better than the album versions?


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Posted: 23 Jun 04, 15:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Why is it so hard to track down this album on vinyl?!?!!? GAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!

*ahem*

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Posted: 23 Jun 04, 20:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The cassette has the full, unedited versions...thank God!
Yes, the vinyl is VERY hard to find, but please check Ebay or your local used record shop. I've seen a lot of versions from different countries (all with the edited versions like the UK LP).

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Posted: 24 Jun 04, 01:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I used to have an Innuendo CD from Mexico which also had the edited versions (I'm mexican and live in Mexico, btw). I had it for over 7 or 8 years and then I bought an European CD version and was shocked to hear these "new" versions (for me). Specially, Bijou, which is just over one minute long in it's edited version.
Actually, I used to like this version more than the complete track.

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Posted: 24 Jun 04, 14:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Bet thats rare!

> Why is it so hard to track down this album on vinyl?!?!!? GAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!

Its down the market where I live for two quid!


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