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Posted: 04 Jul 04, 07:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

ok people, let's talk about something serious.How led zeppelin influenced queen?

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Posted: 04 Jul 04, 08:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The most profound influence LEd Zeppelin had on Queen was their blatent abuse of groupies.
"Down in the dundeon, just peaches and me."
This escalated through to:
"mama jsut killed a man, put my love gun to his head, pulle dmy trigger now he's dead."

Filthy.


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Posted: 04 Jul 04, 12:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

How about how The Who influenced Freddie with the Tommy album? He was quite taken with it and used to listen to it constantly to figure out the concept of a rock opera...which he did later on and is still making money off the end result. Wonder if The Who continue to get royalties as massive as Bo Rhap?
(probably not!)

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Posted: 04 Jul 04, 13:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Lisa J Goodrich wrote:

How about how The Who influenced Freddie with the Tommy album? He was quite taken with it and used to listen to it constantly to figure out the concept of a rock opera...which he did later on and is still making money off the end result. Wonder if The Who continue to get royalties as massive as Bo Rhap?
(probably not!)


Did he really? I love that album. I guess I can see that, what with Black Queen and Bo Rhap.

As for Zeppelin, I think they mainly influenced Brian. Though they were both fantastic frontmen, Freddie was not like Robert Plant. Freddie did not have a rock voice; Plant did.

Btw, andrew, I respect the intentions, but asking us to talk about something serious is like asking a group of people standing outside in a rainstorm not to get wet.


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Posted: 04 Jul 04, 14:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

And don't forget that Brian's playing had some influence from The Who. Very evident on the first and second albums.

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Posted: 04 Jul 04, 14:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hendrix influenced Queen way much more than Led Zeppelin or The Who.

Just ask any of them.


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Posted: 05 Jul 04, 08:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

IMO Led Zeppelin influenced Queen A LOT! just take white side of Queen II- there's plenty of Zeps in there! How about half of the songs on QUEEN? Yeah, I agree- there's also a lot of The Who and a bit of Hendrix, but one have to be death not to hear Led Zeppelin... Especially when it gets to Brian- actually, when you take Queen live it's even more evident!
And I don't agree that Freddie wasn't at all influenced by Robert plant. Just listen to "See What A Fool I've Been" (especially BBC version)...

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Posted: 05 Jul 04, 08:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I like to think The Beatles had a tremendous influence on Queen. All four were fans and Freddie and Roger liked John Lennon especially.
(Remember the Imagine cover the night Lennon was murdered?)
Speaking of that night in 1980, I remember an interview where Freddie said, "We'll never be in that situation" (being stalked by crazed fans). Wonder if that ever happened and to which Queen member?

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Posted: 05 Jul 04, 17:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Does anybody think that Whole Lotta Love sounds like Get Down, Make Love? Especially the live version and it's interlude.

Bohemian Rhapsody reminds me vaguely of Stairway To Heaven, except, of course, without the opera part. But both of them start out slow, get heavier, and then return to the beginning again.


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Posted: 05 Jul 04, 22:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Glossimer wrote:

Does anybody think that Whole Lotta Love sounds like Get Down, Make Love? Especially the live version and it's interlude.


Sorry, not a chance. The effects used are completely different. Jimmy Page used a theramin, while Brian May used harmonizing pedals to create augmented and diminished chords using very unique tones.


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Posted: 05 Jul 04, 22:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I know Brian considers himself as the biggest Led Zeppelin fan on this planet, and they always used to play Immigrant Song during the Queen soundchecks


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Posted: 06 Jul 04, 03:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Glossimer wrote:

Does anybody think that Whole Lotta Love sounds like Get Down, Make Love? Especially the live version and it's interlude.

Bohemian Rhapsody reminds me vaguely of Stairway To Heaven, except, of course, without the opera part. But both of them start out slow, get heavier, and then return to the beginning again.
I noticed that,as well. About Stairway and BoRhap:)


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Posted: 06 Jul 04, 07:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Didn't the April issue of Classic Rock magazine cover this subject?

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Posted: 06 Jul 04, 09:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What Brian said is that he`s the biggest Beatles fan. Imo Roger and Fred were more Zep fans although that doesn`t mean Brian didn`t like them.

Liking a band and being influenced by it is different. Moreover remember what they say at some martial arts schools "if you want to be the champion, don`t get trained by the champion. Get trained by the one who trained the champion". So if Queen in some songs sounds like Deep Purple or whatever it can be that both were infuenced by the same one, more than each other. Anyway, brothers are more similar between them than compared to their parents, in most cases.

I only find two Queen songs Zeppelin-esque: Son & Daughter, and Modern Times. Bo Rhap is very different to Stairway in specific details - harmony, rhythm... - although they`re both acyclic pieces, and have that arrangement detail one of you mentioned earlier. Even though none of them come back to the beginning. The reprise of Bo Rhap is another down-beat section but it`s different to the previous ballad section, the key and the chords are different. The outro reference in Stairway to the verses of the song is very creative.

Both Page & Brian had mean influences in Hendrix, so that can explain a lot too. Roger has said a lot of times that his favourite drummer is Mr Bonham. Fred said in 1975 that his fave singer was Robert. And that Robert had said he liked Killer Queen. Also Elton John. They were both in his white book because of that.

In many details Queen seemed to be a clone of Led and that annoyed the press: the fact that both bands have their first albums as "Band" and "Band II", the use of riff-driven tracks in the first album, Rock N Roll and Modern Times... (both songs with piano entering late in the song, and similar kind of solo...). That played a lot against the band, so they`re widely considered a Led Zeppelin replica, even if only 1% of their material is close to that band.


John hated HS. Fred's fave singer was not PR. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Scotland's not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.
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Posted: 06 Jul 04, 09:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think Queen were a little influenced by Black Sabbath on Queen I. The instrumental in Jesus somehow always reminds me of Iron Man...


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Posted: 06 Jul 04, 09:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"What Brian said is that he`s the biggest Beatles fan"

Maybe he said that aswell, but he also said he's the biggest Zeppelin fan


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Posted: 06 Jul 04, 11:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

FriedChicken wrote:

"What Brian said is that he`s the biggest Beatles fan"

Maybe he said that aswell, but he also said he's the biggest Zeppelin fan


And according to NQ, not that I usually trust them, his favorite band is AC/DC. How many world's-biggest-fan titles does he claim to hold?


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Posted: 06 Jul 04, 13:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think your confused Niek. He did say when Bo Rhap was voted #1 song of the Millennium that he was the biggest Beatles fan. But as far as I know he never put Led as his #1. Or him as the #1 Zeppelin fan. Maybe Hendrix, maybe J. Lennon. Perhaps even The Who.


John hated HS. Fred's fave singer was not PR. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Scotland's not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.
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Posted: 06 Jul 04, 13:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

nope, i'm not confused


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Posted: 06 Jul 04, 13:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

here's the exact quote:

"I'm the world's biggest Led Zeppelin fan. The music, the way they conducted themselves, their whole management structure - they were the blueprint. Queen always used to play The Immigrant Song in soundchecks just for the glory of the sound."


"On the first day Pim & Niek created a heavenly occupation. Pim & Niek blessed it and named it 'Loosch'."



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