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Posted: 05 Aug 04, 10:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The "Live at Wembley" set seems to be one of the most debated Queen works at this forum.

Do you think the music (NOT the performance, video, or atmosphere) makes the CD worth buying? Meaning, is it good enough to purchase?


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Posted: 05 Aug 04, 10:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

By no means. It's two CDs full of Queen music, who would like to have this? Sure nobody who reads a Queen forum.


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Posted: 05 Aug 04, 11:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

For a fan- it is. For a collector- a must.

General rock public- no, it isn't... Can't imagine someone who's over the moon about LIVE IN LEEDS The Who or HOW THE WEST WAS WON and ISN'T a Queen fan enjoying this particular concert... Set list too obvious and performance too weak... MILTON KEYNES will be a different story...

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Posted: 05 Aug 04, 11:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

By "music" I meant how well they performed it...and when I said "NOT performance" I meant the visual.


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Posted: 05 Aug 04, 11:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

In my opinion (well known, anyway) the performance was definitely the worst during the entire Magic Tour... And it wasn't the best tour either (sorry William, sorry MAGIC TOUR fans...!), IMO... If you listen to Budapest, Knebworth or Laiden- the performance is much, much better. Freddie's voice on saturday night @ Wembley was in pretty bad shape, and the versions of IWTBF or WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS are absolutely awful, even though overdubbed... The whole band sound a bit tied and nervous, how different to what happened only 24 hours before!!!! I find it pretty boring as well... Threre are exellent bits, mind you!!! All in all however, IMO, it's not one of their greatest gigs... What the heck- it's not even one of their better gigs...
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Posted: 05 Aug 04, 11:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

One of my favorite magic tour concerts are Madrid and Knebworth.
I really don't like the overdubs on the wembley DVD but besides that the performance is good but Freddie's voise wasn't in a good shape that night, maybe the first night at wembley was even a bit better..


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Posted: 05 Aug 04, 13:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Lord Fenderro (a.k.a. Fenderek) wrote:
In my opinion (well known, anyway) the performance was definitely the worst during the entire Magic Tour... And it wasn't the best tour either (sorry William, sorry MAGIC TOUR fans...!), IMO... If you listen to Budapest, Knebworth or Laiden- the performance is much, much better. Freddie's voice on saturday night @ Wembley was in pretty bad shape, and the versions of IWTBF or WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS are absolutely awful, even though overdubbed... The whole band sound a bit tied and nervous, how different to what happened only 24 hours before!!!! I find it pretty boring as well... Threre are exellent bits, mind you!!! All in all however, IMO, it's not one of their greatest gigs... What the heck- it's not even one of their better gigs...
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i totally disagree with people who say that the wembley concert wasn't good, i've listened to a lot of magic tour concerts and despite there are a lot of better concerts than wembley (like stockholm, knebworth and leiden (second night),(i like also brussels but unforntunately the audio quality is only good) that are the best concert of the tour)the band play very well and they feel the pleasure to play that was totally lost in the works tour:freddie's voice wasn't at his top but it is very powerfull and aggressive unlike other magic tour shows, the strumental lines are great!hammer to fall is one of the best version i ever heard, we will rock you is great!the introduction is too powerfull and bohemian rhapsody, tutti frutti, tie your mother down, the guitar solo, is this the world we created, seven seas of rhye are great!in my opinion that's one of the causes that bring them to realise wembley as official video.
i think that the worst shows of the magic tour are mannheim, frejus and marbella and slane castle (i didn't listened to the munich shows)

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I don't know why there are either people who say that the LW'86 is crap, either people who say that the same gig is their best ever... Queen themselves tend to look at it as their best. Are they only a bunch of idiots?

I got the audio CD with this concert before I ever saw the video. And I must say it cast a spell on me... It was real magic. I liked it better than WWRY - Montreal or Hammersmith'75 or Live Killers or Live Magic...

But perhaps I'm nothing but a crazy Queen fan, since I like almost all of their songs (I only hate Body Language and I dislike Drowse and some tracks from the FG album). So...

I THINK THE CD IS WORTH BUYING. IT'S THE TRUE MAJESTIC QUEEN!



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Posted: 06 Aug 04, 08:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yes you should buy it, it is a great album and definetly worth the money, it's absolutely brilliant


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Posted: 06 Aug 04, 09:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yes Yes buy it! I bought the audio Cd first also. I didnt even know they had a dvd for it out. But as soon as i heard it, i pretty much had to have the dvd to go along with it so i could see it. I liked it alot. Go on out and buy it!


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Posted: 06 Aug 04, 09:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Queen themselves tend to look at it as their best. Are they only a bunch of idiots?
Brian in his soapbox recently said they were watching Milton Keynes and he said he was surprised how good they were... seems like he didn't watch the other shows for a awhile... So they/he don't remember... of course it was important for them- two night @ Wembley... But Friday's performance was far better!!! Does Brian remember it...? Very curious, actually...

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Posted: 06 Aug 04, 09:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

the friday night concert is technically better than the saturday concert, but the saturday concert has more groove and feeling than the friday concert

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Posted: 06 Aug 04, 10:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think they may have released Wembley so soon because they actually had it available in decent quality. And it's pretty cool to have played at Wembley :)

But listening to Wembley makes my throat hurt when I hear Freddie having to scream to get any sound out. The beginning of TYMD for instance just sounds like his voice could go at any time.

I still like it but I like Budapest better...it seems to have more energy. Plus you can actually see the lights since the show was at night....


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Posted: 06 Aug 04, 23:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Brianmay1975 wrote:

I don't know why there are either people who say that the LW'86 is crap, either people who say that the same gig is their best ever... Queen themselves tend to look at it as their best. Are they only a bunch of idiots?


Okay, Mr Magic tour expert, tell me why the first Wembley night, Knebworth, Madrid, Berlin, Leiden, and Newcastle shows aren't better than Wembley second night, and I'll stand right beside you with your Wembley second night perfection syndrome.

People who have listened to the above Magic Tour concerts can judge all of the shows objectively. You're just comparing it to the other official releases.

Queen never regarded Wembley as one of their best. They have just done so much with it because it was one of the few that were properly filmed with the intent for release. You don't see Brian talking about Glasgow 77 and Newcastle 79, do you? Of course not, because there is no commercial reason for any media attention. However, I think those are two of the greatest shows Queen ever performed.

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the friday night concert is technically better than the saturday concert, but the saturday concert has more groove and feeling than the friday concert


Yeah, I'll have to agree with you there.


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Posted: 07 Aug 04, 08:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Okay, Mr Magic tour expert, tell me why the first Wembley night, Knebworth, Madrid, Berlin, Leiden, and Newcastle shows aren't better than Wembley second night, and I'll stand right beside you with your Wembley second night perfection syndrome.


First of all, I'm not Mr Magic Tour expert, because I'm a woman and I can only be Miss Magic Tour expert. Second, I remember I've asked why this show is so debated. It can't be both crap and masterpiece at the same time. Either it's good, either it's crap... The truth is it's not crap. The second Wembley night had more feeling in it... it says it all. Music (and art) are more about feeling than about technical perfection, in my opinion.


I didn't say the Wembley second night is Queen's best gig, I just said Queen themselves tend to look at it as their best. It's their opinion, not mine. If I had seen all the other Magic Tour shows, I'd have provided you with my precious opinion. I said only that I liked this concert more than their other releases, you can't kill me for that, right?

Besides that, QueenZeppelin asked if this CD is good enough to purchase. That's what I've said, it's their best live album... so far, at least.


Queen never regarded Wembley as one of their best.


You should see what they've said while promting the DVD about the show. It so happens that I subscribed to the QOL newsletter just before its release and you should read in what terms Queen was officially talking about it. I'm sorry I don't have the text on this PC, I'll send it to you as soon as I'll return at home.

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Brian in his soapbox recently said they were watching Milton Keynes and he said he was surprised how good they were...


He didn't say it was their best gig ever, did he? Of course MK is a great concert... all of their concerts are great, most of them should get official releases too.




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Posted: 07 Aug 04, 11:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Brianmay1975 wrote:

First of all, I'm not Mr Magic Tour expert, because I'm a woman and I can only be Miss Magic Tour expert.


Apologies. :)

Second, I remember I've asked why this show is so debated. It can't be both crap and masterpiece at the same time. Either it's good, either it's crap... The truth is it's not crap. The second Wembley night had more feeling in it... it says it all. Music (and art) are more about feeling than about technical perfection, in my opinion.


Is there no such thing as a gray area between masterpiece and crap? This has been discussed many times before, the the general consensus between people who have heard many Magic Tour concerts is that the show was technically/musically not the best of the tour, but in terms of audience, atmosphere, and stage show, it was probably the best. It's amazing how many people haven't been able to understand this division between aspects of a concert; and I hope you're not the next one, as you seem to have a good head on your shoulders.

I didn't say the Wembley second night is Queen's best gig, I just said Queen themselves tend to look at it as their best. It's their opinion, not mine. If I had seen all the other Magic Tour shows, I'd have provided you with my precious opinion. I said only that I liked this concert more than their other releases, you can't kill me for that, right?


Of course not. But when one has listened to 250 concerts, I think they can give a more objective opinion in regards to comparison to other shows than one who has heard less than ten.

Again, Queen praise the concert, because in many aspects, it is indeed one of their greatest concerts. They're able to talk about it so much because it's commercialized, and therefore people know it well. If Wembley wasn't filmed for release, you wouldn't see Brian talking about it, because not many people would care!


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Posted: 08 Aug 04, 03:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Look- for those of us who were born in the late 80's (and there are quite a few of us) DVDs like the wembly performance are the only way we'll ever get to see Queen live! They may not be the best but unfortunatley, we do not have the memories of live performances to compare them with. So unless something better comes along, for us, Wembly is worth it!


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Look- for those of us who were born in the late 80's (and there are quite a few of us) DVDs like the wembly performance are the only way we'll ever get to see Queen live! They may not be the best but unfortunatley, we do not have the memories of live performances to compare them with. So unless something better comes along, for us, Wembly is worth it!


When I said "listened to 250 concerts", I'm referring to bootlegs, and not actually seeing the band. I'm not much older than you are!


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Posted: 09 Aug 04, 01:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The CD was re-issued in my country at $10 more than the DVD. I couldn't understand it when I saw it. You get the entire CD on the DVD. Save your money and turn the TV off and listen to the DVD through your stereo.


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