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Posted: 18 Aug 04, 08:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

REM
Made a Public Service Announcement to apologize for the song "Happy Shinny People". They didn't even consider to include it in their most recent hits compilation... even though it was one of their biggest hits.

AEROSMITH
Constantly mention how corny and sappy is the song "Angel". It gave them their biggest single hit of the 80s on Billboard.

QUEEN
Brian has admitted that 'Hot Space' wasn't their best work. Although he also mentions not regretting anything he ever did during his career.
Don't know if that counts.

Does anyone else know about any other rock bands who hate their own work.


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Posted: 18 Aug 04, 08:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Billy Joel hates one of his quite successful songs, Modern Woman. Here's a bit of an article about his Greatest Hits Vol. 3:

Conspicuously absent is the 1986 top 10 hit "Modern Woman," simply because "I hated that thing!" Joel declares with a laugh. "It shouldn't be so arbitrary that I can say, 'I hate that thing so much, don't put it on there,' but something had to die so that others could live and have room on this thing. I sacrificed 'Modern Woman.' "



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Posted: 18 Aug 04, 08:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I Know Extreme started to hate More then Words, and admit they would not have done that song if they could re do it


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Posted: 18 Aug 04, 10:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mr.Jingles79 wrote:

REM
Made a Public Service Announcement to apologize for the song "Happy Shinny People". They didn't even consider to include it in their most recent hits compilation... even though it was one of their biggest hits.


That's not entirely true. Peter Buck loves the song, and Michael Stipe/Mike Mills don't hate it. They just don't want it to be one of the songs they're remembered for, because it was mainly done to be silly.

The surviving members of Nirvana hate pretty much all the songs on Nevermind, especially Teen Spirit, which does not surprise me in the least.

Lots of artists of any kind end up despising the works that made them famous, because they rarely consider these to be their works most deserving of recognition.


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Posted: 18 Aug 04, 10:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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The surviving members of Nirvana hate pretty much all the songs on Nevermind, especially Teen Spirit, which does not surprise me in the least.


Actually, neither of the two surviving members hate "Nevermind," and neither did Cobain. All three members, however, have expressed their feelings of being sick and tired of hearing/performing/being remembered for "Smells Like Teen Spirit" when they have had many songs equally as good not get half the attention that one did.


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Posted: 18 Aug 04, 10:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

This happens nearly with every rock group. Pete Townshend has said in the past, "I hate The Who" and John Lennon has greatly diminished the work of the Beatles. It was rare that perfectionists like Kurt Cobain were ever happyu with their work. Usually, they are able to reach a point where they are happy with themselves and their work (both Townshend and Lennon eventually became more reasonable).


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Posted: 18 Aug 04, 10:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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geeksandgeeks wrote:


The surviving members of Nirvana hate pretty much all the songs on Nevermind, especially Teen Spirit, which does not surprise me in the least.


Actually, neither of the two surviving members hate "Nevermind," and neither did Cobain. All three members, however, have expressed their feelings of being sick and tired of hearing/performing/being remembered for "Smells Like Teen Spirit" when they have had many songs equally as good not get half the attention that one did.


That may be, but they have all certainly expressed negative feelings towards the album in general. And like I said, understandable. When an album is solely responsible for the death of your best friend, you probably will end up hating it. I'd be stunned if they didn't.


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Posted: 18 Aug 04, 11:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I wonder why Nirvana or Kurt hate 'Nevermind' so much. It was one of the greatest albums ever, and without it Nirvana would be virtually unknown.

The only reason why I could see that the album is so hated by them, was because it was initially inteded to be:

- Anti-image
- Anti-mainstream
- Anti-fashion
- Anti-commecialism
- Anti-popularity
- Anti-cool

Instead, it brought everything that the album stood against. Ironic, isn't it?


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Posted: 18 Aug 04, 12:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Not only in your opinion Matt



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Posted: 18 Aug 04, 15:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Billy Joel hates one of his quite successful songs, Modern Woman. Here's a bit of an article about his Greatest Hits Vol. 3:

Conspicuously absent is the 1986 top 10 hit "Modern Woman," simply because "I hated that thing!" Joel declares with a laugh. "It shouldn't be so arbitrary that I can say, 'I hate that thing so much, don't put it on there,' but something had to die so that others could live and have room on this thing. I sacrificed 'Modern Woman.' "



Where is this from? I never knew he didn't like Modern woman. I know he didn't like Uptown Girl at one point because of his divorce, obviously, and he also got really tired of "Just the Way You Are" and swore never to play it again (but apparently got over that, because he has played it may times since). Never heard heard this, though...I like Modern Woman :(

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Posted: 18 Aug 04, 15:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It seems very 'cool' to slag off your own work doesnt it? possibly to give an arrogant air a very wide birth. Its the same at school. Its cool to say other peoples stuff is good but you have to slag off your own work.


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Posted: 18 Aug 04, 16:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mr.Jingles79 wrote:

I wonder why Nirvana or Kurt hate 'Nevermind' so much. It was one of the greatest albums ever, and without it Nirvana would be virtually unknown.

The only reason why I could see that the album is so hated by them, was because it was initially inteded to be:

- Anti-image
- Anti-mainstream
- Anti-fashion
- Anti-commecialism
- Anti-popularity
- Anti-cool

Instead, it brought everything that the album stood against. Ironic, isn't it?


You are correct! lol Yes, that's exactly it. Kurt has said many positive things about the songs on that album, that they wanted to make a CD "that delivered one good song after another." Of course, it became a classic example of a statement against mainstream pop-culture BECOMING the pop-culture it was designed to attack and that the creators hate. At least Dave Grohl seems perfectly comfortable with his Foo Fighters success, and hasn't had any problems whatsoever with being a platinum-selling artist.


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Posted: 18 Aug 04, 16:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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It seems very 'cool' to slag off your own work doesnt it? possibly to give an arrogant air a very wide birth. Its the same at school. Its cool to say other peoples stuff is good but you have to slag off your own work.


I think it's just an attempt to express humility. Anyway, I think Nirvana is one of the most overrated bands...I mean, they are great and all, but not nearly as great as everyone seems to make them out to be. Also, it's their fault we phased into the grunge age (if grunge is your thing, then great, but I personally can't take it...maybe I'll grow to love it through a series of Nirvana inculcations). And now there's rap metal and this neo-punk crap (and if these are your thing, then there is a personal vendetta between me and your entire family). Kill me now!


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Posted: 18 Aug 04, 17:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I still don't get grunge...

Maybe I'm an old fart who grew up with 80s hard rock and pop, and I got pissed off to see all of that coming to an end thanks to screaming non-sense lyrics and semi-psychadellic depressing melodies.
Nevertheless there was some good grunge on bands like Nirvana, and Stone Temple Pilots. I also enjoyed bands like Smashing Pumpkins and Alice In Chains that had a grunge sound with a very dark edge. I still don't get Pearl Jam or Soundgarden, they had some good songs but I still don't understand all the fuss around them.
However, by 1996 pretty much every single mainstream band was grunge and there were nothing but a bunch of crappy copycats like Bush, Hole, Sonic Youth and Silverchair. It was then it was time for grunge to die for once and for good.

Yet still I'd take grunge 20 times over nu-metal shit, or nu-punk garbage.


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Posted: 18 Aug 04, 17:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mr.Jingles79 wrote:


Yet still I'd take grunge 20 times over nu-metal shit, or nu-punk garbage.

I think I'd go with 200 times over.


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Posted: 18 Aug 04, 18:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'm a fan of Nirvana, I like them quite a bit. However, I do agree that they are overrated. Everything I read about Kurt Cobain makes him out to be Jesus. Was he talented and creative? Yes. Great? Yes. But I alwasy see these "transcended the face of music" and "changed the course of music history" "the biggest cultural revolution since The Beatles and Woodstock.." and no, it just wasn't...wasn't any of that. They left their mark on music history, but they didn't recreate music entirely.

By the way, Sonic Youth has been around since the early 80's. David Bowie has said that they "helped to shape and form much of the sound of the 80's.


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Posted: 18 Aug 04, 18:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Where is this from? I never knew he didn't like Modern woman. I know he didn't like Uptown Girl at one point because of his divorce, obviously, and he also got really tired of "Just the Way You Are" and swore never to play it again (but apparently got over that, because he has played it may times since). Never heard heard this, though...I like Modern Woman :(


http://billyjoel.8k.com/greatesthits3.htm and also here: http://www.turnstiles.org/articles/confess.html but I had to use Google's cache http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Uma_FwdOVvEJ:www.turnstiles.org/articles/confess.html as I couldn't get it to load today.

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Posted: 18 Aug 04, 21:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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I'm a fan of Nirvana, I like them quite a bit. However, I do agree that they are overrated. Everything I read about Kurt Cobain makes him out to be Jesus. Was he talented and creative? Yes. Great? Yes. But I alwasy see these "transcended the face of music" and "changed the course of music history" "the biggest cultural revolution since The Beatles and Woodstock.." and no, it just wasn't...wasn't any of that. They left their mark on music history, but they didn't recreate music entirely.


First and foremost, I'd like to admit that Nirvana is a great band. No matter how much you like or dislike them or their style, nothing will change that.

Kurt Cobain? Talent? Definitely! But the thing that really gets me on the edge is when he makes lists of the "greatest" guitarists. He had about as much technical skill as Johnny Ramone, and he did about nothing for the instrument. Seeing the name Kurt Cobain on a "greatest guitarists" list is synonymous with seeing "stop reading now."

Does that deteriorate his value as a musician? No. His legacy to music will forever live on.


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Posted: 18 Aug 04, 21:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't mind Silverchair. Just now that Daniel Johns is performing with Paul Mac as The Dissociatives. Apparently.

And he marries Natalie Imbruglia.


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Posted: 19 Aug 04, 09:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Queen can say that Hot Space was unsuccessful but it still got to number 4 in the U.K. So Queen 'worst' work is still better than most bands. (apart from 3 others).


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