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Posted: 21 Aug 04, 10:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Just a thought but how long do you think it will before music is made where not every song is crap like today.


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Posted: 21 Aug 04, 11:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Never. The time has been and gone. Individualism no longer seems to make music, but is it finally making a turn around? I dont know really. Now you know your market and you work to make the most money. the beatles wrote songs like strawberry fields forever... i do wonder if songs like that are like buses...


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Posted: 21 Aug 04, 11:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

As a whole, I don't like today's music, but there are some random songs I like. And yes, I'm guilty of singing along to "Beautiful" when I hear it on the radio...


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Posted: 21 Aug 04, 14:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Not any time soon. I mean, if artists like Hilary Duff and Ashlee Simpson are successful, then people's music tastes have drastically changed. Now, it's pretty much a rap/hip-hop/pop music world. Even rock, at least the kind that's popular, has been considerably toned down. Music just doesn't have the raw feeling it used to; it's more calculated.


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Posted: 21 Aug 04, 15:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

If you look past Britney and Christina and Eminem and Jay-Z, there is some good music, there's a band called Franz Ferdinand on it's way to America that you might like, they are Queen fans too. Very unusual guitar band, unique songs (look our for 'Matinee' and 'Take Me Out'). And i like The Darkness and Scissor Sisters too.


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Posted: 21 Aug 04, 15:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

There is good music, (I like Franz Ferdinand, as well as The Darkness, Velvet Revolver, etc.) but so much of it is overshadowed by the less than talented artists. I just can't help but wondering what's happened to music when artists like Lindsay Lohan and Paris Hilton have record deals.


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Posted: 21 Aug 04, 21:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote


There's only been one band I've encountered since Queen that got me as excited about music as Queen did, and that was Jellyfish in the early 90's.

Too bad they only came out with 2 albums before calling it quits, Bellybutton and Spilt Milk. :(

They're pretty heavy on the Beatles influence but lots of nods to Queen and overall fantastic musicianship.




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Posted: 21 Aug 04, 22:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I live in America, and am totally blown away by Muse. Absolutely stunning last album. But they are totally overlooked around here in favor of such "rock" acts as Simple Plan and New Found Glory. Give me a break.
We just gotta hope that Freddie's famous "Talent will out, my dear" quote comes to fruition for bands that have real talent, like Muse.



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Posted: 22 Aug 04, 11:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

supernova190188 wrote:

Just a thought but how long do you think it will before music is made where not every song is crap like today.
Listen to the new Heart album. And THEN, Put this in the personal section. ;)


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Posted: 22 Aug 04, 11:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Meh, rock is quivering here in Australia after AC/DC came and went and Cold Chisel rose to bore another generation. Jet is doin' alright. But I think the whole world has gone topsy turvy. I wonder if I could get a recording contract.

But I guess all music has its' day and sudden and often painful revival. I can't see myself going 'Ugh. Queen? Yuck. All those guitars and what not. I'd rather connect to Globalsoft and become a ga-ga girl..wait a second..'


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Posted: 24 Aug 04, 15:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

There's always been garbage in the mainstream since the 50s. It's nothing new.

For the past decades, most of the best music hasn't been in the commercial spotlight.


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Posted: 24 Aug 04, 19:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thats right nothing's changed in Music you have always had to hunt down the really good artists but there are still loads out there if you look hard enough! Occasionally a gem makes a successful commercial crossover have to agree that Muse are my current big name favourites!

Good music though is all about taste and opinion! And you know what they say about opinions? They are like arseholes we have all got one!


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Posted: 24 Aug 04, 19:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The problem -

You whippersnappers are getting old.

LOL


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Posted: 24 Aug 04, 19:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Back in the 60's, 70's and perhaps mid 80's musicians got together a decided to form a band. These were musicians 100%

After mid 80's marketing and business people started creating "idols", "singers" and "superstars" and it seemed to worked very well as a business. One hit groups and one shot singers started to flow the market since then.....

Wonder why true groups like Queen are still #1 in most countries while lots of one-night-shining stars not.....




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Posted: 24 Aug 04, 20:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

THE 10 WORST THINGS ABOUT MUSIC TODAY...

1. Fabricated pop acts like Hillary Duff, Nick Carter and Jessica Simpson whose music totally SUCK. Like their music wasn't bad enough they hook their siblings into the music business to make more crappy music.

2. In a similar way to the previous one, we have the Hollywood stars who aside from being awful actors, they become even worse singers. See... Lindsay Lohan, Jennifer Love Hewitt, and FEAR THIS... PARIS HILTON! (Who is working on her debut album)

3. Hip-hop/rap artists (if you can them that) that probably understand chinese better than what's written on a music sheet. Since all they do is basically the same here's an example of the basic elements of hip-hop songs and videos.

MAIN ELEMENTS OF A HIP-HOP SONG
- Society bashing. Especially from the upper class.
- Bashing of family members, and other people who didn't believe in them.
- Bashing of other rappers.
- Collaborations with other rappers or when they feel like allowing someone to actually sing then they call an R&B star.
- Shout out to their record labels.
- Shout out to other rappers.
- Words that even those who grew up in the ghetto can't understand (Ej... Fo' shizzle ma' nizzle')
- Lots and lots of profanity.

MAIN ELEMENTS OF A HIP-HOP VIDEO
- Rappers shooting their videos in the ghetto, to make their audience feel like they still belong to "DA HOOD".
- Dozens of bimbos in skimpy clothes surrounding the rapper in a tub.
- Party at the rapper's fancy crib.
- The rapper's posse (Loser friends living on his fortune like parasites)
- Fancy cars that bounce up and down
- Slow motion shots of bitches getting down and dirty while shaking their booties.
- Lots and lots of bling-bling (jewerly).

When they can't come up with any beats or melodies, they either steal them or pay huge amounts of cash to talented people who have actually written them...

4. ...Which brings us to music sell outs like Jimmy Page, Sting, Phil Collins, and yes QUEEN TOO!! who have sold out by giving right to talentless pop acts and awful rappers to re-make their classic songs and completely destroy them.

5. Mainstream songs of the moment that are basically all the same. It all starts with a one band that is widely successful and after their huge breakthrough then you have 20 more bands playing the exact same music. Look at all these punk bands that are just copying Green Day...

Good Charlote, Sum 41, New Found Glory, All American Rejects, Simple Plan, etc.

6. Artists coming out with their own line of clothing, perfumes, and other crappy merchandise aside from their dreadful music. (Ej. Jennifer Lopez, Sean 'Puffy' Combs, and Celine Dion.

7. Retro bands that bring no originality whatsover and all they do is completely rip-off everything from their most influential artists.

Oasis = Beatles
Scissor Sisters = Elton John
The Darkness = Queen

8. Music critics hailing bands like The White Stripes or The Strokes as 'THE NEXT BIG THING' when they are still way too far from becoming the phenomenon that critics predict they will be. Most of them actually suck.

9. Nu-metal and other forms of rock music mixed with rap. Absolutely horrible.

10. MTV (enough said)


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Posted: 24 Aug 04, 20:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You can tell how good a band is by how they perform live. Live music is where it's at. If there's lip-synching throughout or enough haircare products to worsen the ozone hole, the band sucks. If the band thinks Clear Channel is a model of honest capitalism, lock n' load ;)


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Posted: 24 Aug 04, 21:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think Jingles is starting to look distiguished with all that gray hair around his temples.

Fogeys have always accused younguns of listening to noise rather than music.

Mind you, I still think "rap" starts with a silent "C". Eh sonny.


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Posted: 24 Aug 04, 21:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think music is in its ARC stage right now.


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Posted: 24 Aug 04, 23:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Bullwinkle wrote:

The problem -

You whippersnappers are getting old.

LOL


One more reason to be nice to new people and thus pass everything on ... augh, sounds like a freaking literary plea. Whatever.


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Posted: 24 Aug 04, 23:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Are you all debating music trends or multinational media conglomerate business practices? These *are* two different things.

There's also some rather narrow minded opinions in here as well (notably the comments on hip-hop).