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Posted: 25 Aug 04, 07:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

On every single album Queen released there were songs almost obvious to include into the stage show (i.e. TIE YOUR MOTHER DOWN), few that were tried (with different results- some stayed for longer in the set lists, some were played only few times...); and than there were always quite few they have never, ever played.

Just wandering, listening to Miracle and Innuendo, which songs do you think wouldn't be definitely played and why and which on the other hand would be exellent in the live environment- from those two albums, if they toured...

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Posted: 25 Aug 04, 07:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

IMO those would be exellent live and pretty easy to adapt into stage act: Was It All Worth It, I Want It All, Headlong, I Can't Live With You, Innuendo, Breakthru, Miracle, The Show Must Go On, Scandal, Ride The Wild Wind; Chinese Torture would be incorporated into guitar solo...

They would never play things like: Delilah, All God's People (difficulty), My Baby Does Me, Rain Must Fall, Don't Try So Hard (difficulty again, vocally)... I have my doubts about The Invisible Man as well...

The other could be considered as possibilities, especially heavier things like Hitman, Party, Khashoggi's Ship, Hang On In There, but also These Are The Days Of Our Lives or I'm Going Slightly Mad...
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Posted: 25 Aug 04, 09:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I just can't imagine Queen playing Miracle/Innuendo- Songs live beacause they were written when Freddie knew that there will be no more tours and that he will die.
I guess most of the songs especially on Innuendo wouldn't exist without Freddie's illness.
No "Show must go on..." "These are the days of our lives" etc..
But I think "Headlong" is a song that Queen might have written also without Freddie's disease and would have performed live.


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Posted: 25 Aug 04, 10:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

This is wouldbe question anyway, so I think we could imagine every song, couldn’t we ?
I Want It All, Headlong, I Can’t Live With You, Ride The Wild Wind could be hottest candidates for me. The Show Must Go On should be there also, but it is very high written for live performance. So I vote for it with Roger help and some vocal line lowering. And I’m Going Slightly Mad would be IMO good live.

Innuendo would be fine, but what with the middle part ? Cut it off or play it the same way as Bohemian Rhapsody operatic part ? It’d certainly be possible to do this middle part live some way, but it’d loose its magic IMO.

I could imagine Hitman and Khashoggi's Ship. These Are Then Days Of Our Lives on spanish guitar could be interesting.

With never played songs I agree with Lord Fender.


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Posted: 25 Aug 04, 10:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I guess all of there singles would be a possibility. Added to that: Kashoggi's ship, Hitman, Party.

I would also have loved to hear Don't stop me now on the "Miraculous Innuendo tour". It's a pity they dropped it. One of my favorite live songs.

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Posted: 25 Aug 04, 10:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think by that point in their career, Queen would mainly stick to the singles for the live show, primarily since they would have so much territory to cover in a limited time.

Snippets of Chinese Torture in a guitar solo might be possible, but I don't see Was It All Worth It or Ride The Wild Wind being included at all.


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Posted: 25 Aug 04, 11:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"but I don't see Was It All Worth It or Ride The Wild Wind being included at all."

I have a feeling that Brian wouldn't let such a great riff being left out of the show- maybe a snippet in some kind of a medley...? I can however agree on ride The Wild Wind not being played...

I meant POSSIBILITY rather than WHAT IF HE DIDN'T DIE- let's say the songs are written and let's analize them considering our knowledge about Queen concerts (what were they like, etc.) and the way they were playing older songs on previous tours; could they adapt i.e. MY BABY DOES ME? Don't think so! Can't imagine them playing it between Hammer To Fall and Tie Your Mother Down... Same goes for ALL GOD'S PEOPLE- they would never recreate the vocal harmonies... Zeni said about them playing mostly singles- good point, I'm sure they would do that. But I have my doubts about THE INVISIBLE MAN for instance- can't really imagine Brian playing this solo live, what would they do with the bass... The song seems too sterile for me to be incorporated into the stage act...

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Posted: 25 Aug 04, 12:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I've always thought Breadthru would be fantastic live. Don't know why Brian or Roger haven't done it in their sets, but then the vocal is probably quite difficult, and even more of a Freddie vocal than others.

I agree with the rest of you on the candidates for live songs. I think the Freddie tribute shows that they could do Innuendo justice as long as there were no hiccups with the mic level/forgotten lyrics!


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Posted: 25 Aug 04, 13:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I Want It All would definitely be an obvious choice, but I think Scandal, The Miracle and Breakthru could work. As for Innuendo, if Freddie had still been healthy and touring, some of the songs wouldn't have been written, as Smartie said. But Innuendo, Headlong, I Can't Live With You, and possibly The Hitman would've gone over well. I think Don't Try So Hard would've been beautiful live; it kind of reminds me of Who Wants To Live Forever.


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Posted: 25 Aug 04, 13:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Roger included Ride The Wild Wind in some of solo sets....

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Posted: 26 Aug 04, 09:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

On second thought- I can't really imagine SCANDAL being played live... i like the song very much, but... doesn't really fit into the live act they were playing over the years... Somehow I think it wouldn't work...



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Posted: 26 Aug 04, 09:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Absolutely. Scandal could be adapted and I think The Miracle would go tremendously. I can just see Freddie finishing off 'Seven Seas of Rhye' and running over to the piano for the beginning of The Miracle.


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Posted: 26 Aug 04, 09:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I remember that Breakthrough was on the list to be played at the Tribute, however for some reason it wasn't played. Would have liked to hear it.

I think Brian played some of Chinese torture during the BR solo at his Barcelona appearance in 1992?

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Posted: 26 Aug 04, 10:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Headlong and Breakthru would have been nice live, I suppose.


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Posted: 26 Aug 04, 16:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think The Miracle would definitely have been added, but as part of the medley - kinda like BohRhap. Start it off, sing a couple verses go to KQ, Delilah could fit just to make a
Freddie staccatto chord medley (bring back DoTL?).
End with the "that time will....."
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Posted: 26 Aug 04, 21:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Actually, I think that the bit from Innuendo "through the sorrows..." line would be mixed in with some groovey melody Queen would probably make up for the Miracle or Innuendo tour. I'm surprised I've never considered these songs to be played live before! That would ROCK! I think the melody would have gone something like this...

Impromptu
Was It All Worth It
Ogre Battle
Innuendo
Chinese Torture/Princes of The Universe solo
Was It All Worth It (reprise)
I Want It All
Innuendo (reprise - ending)

Maybe it wouldn't go like that at all. But one can dream, right?


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Posted: 26 Aug 04, 23:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think that Headlong, Ride The Wild Wind, The hitman, The Miracle, I want It all, Scandal, and The invisible man would be played. If you look at the songs queen often chose for touring they would most likely choose these ones because they would be crowd pleasing. Knowing that they always have a couple of slower songs dont try so hard might have been done but in a different way set for stage.


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Posted: 27 Aug 04, 00:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

iGSM wrote:

I can just see Freddie finishing off 'Seven Seas of Rhye' and running over to the piano for the beginning of The Miracle.


As can I, though I wonder if it's "feel good" message would have been saved for later in the show, a la Friends Will Be Friends.




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Posted: 27 Aug 04, 01:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

RE: Invisible Man (Brian solo)

That wouldn't be too hard would it? I thought it was just chromatic runs...or whatever it is. People were discussing it on here a couple of days ago. Of course it wouldn't sound like the studio version but the Bohemian Rhapsody guitar solo didn't sound like the studio version either.


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Posted: 27 Aug 04, 02:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I imagine Breakthru would be the difficult one to pull off. Spike would probably have to play a synth bass to complement John's bass. Kinda like Body Language, on the one or two live versions I have heard of it. I wonder if they would have sung the A New Life is Born intro, like they did on It's a Hard Life.

The big question is: would they open the show with I Want it All, or save it for after BoRhap, in the same way that TYMD kept the momentum going....


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