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Posted: 12 Sep 04, 17:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The Washington snipers used a Bushmaster rifle to kill 10 people in a 3 week period - how come the relatives of the victims can succesfully sue the company and the retailer who sold the weapon? I am sure it wasn't sold with that intent! Do the police make any checks before issuing a licence to own weapons?

Applying this priciple, does this means that we can sue companies for selling the cars that kill thousands of people every week on the roads?


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Posted: 12 Sep 04, 18:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Pff this is rediculous!!

That means we can do anything we want, and just blame it on the company's?

Same blaming TV or music for murders.


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Posted: 12 Sep 04, 18:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

No more rediculous than people suing fast food restaurants because eating their food made them fat, or because drinking their hot coffee burned them (actually, holding a cup of their hot coffee between their legs while driving in a bumpy parking lot), or suing the tobacco company because smoking cigarettes gave them lung cancer.


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Posted: 12 Sep 04, 19:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

People in America will find any excuse to sue, just because they can. It's an easy and almost guaranteed way to make a lot of money.

Like the man who successfully sued some people whose dog bit him...even though he was on their property at the time shooting air pellets at the dog.


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Posted: 12 Sep 04, 21:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

..............and that woman who got cancer who sued the tobacco company!


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Posted: 12 Sep 04, 21:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Americans have a God-given constitutional right to sue. Vote for the ambulence chasers, Kerry & Edwards, for president.


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Posted: 12 Sep 04, 22:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Calling edwards an ambulance chaser isn't quite accurate.

Our nation has a fine legal system. Part of that is allowing folks to let the courts decide disagreements. It ain't perfect, but it's what we got.

They're suing because the gun shop sold the weapon to people that legally had no right to own the weapon. This is negligence. You can also sue an automotive manufacturer if you can show that they were negligent in following safety procedures or cutting corners.

The manufacturer was being sued because they continued to stock this store with these weapons, even though audits of this store by the government showed HUNDREDS of weapons unaccounted for.

Are the gun shop owners directly to blame for the shootings? No. Should we not force some sort of checks and balances on the system to prevent future illegal sales of deadly weapons? Personally, I think so.

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Posted: 12 Sep 04, 22:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

For a simple analogy, take a liquor store that knowingly sells liquor to some 15 year olds.

Is this liquor store responsible in any way for any alcohol related deaths/accidents that may happen to those teenagers?

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Posted: 12 Sep 04, 22:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

BTW, bull, I don't think it was God that gave us the right to use the courts. ;o)

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Posted: 13 Sep 04, 04:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Cheers joeyjojo - we only get half the story this side of the pond.


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Posted: 13 Sep 04, 21:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Bob, well, we usually get less than half the story over here too. ;o)

Sadly, in this day in age, one needs to work at getting even something close to resembling the complete story ;o)

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Posted: 13 Sep 04, 22:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well said Joey!!!

A thread with a happy ending!!

I'm gonna cry!!!

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Posted: 13 Sep 04, 23:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Very good point Matt. I dunno. I guess it does boil down to choice. It's legal bc you are choosing to do it for your own reasons and by your own will maybe? Also it might be that the law makers don't consider abortion murder. In regards to the double homicide maybe that is viewed as when another person kills someone else and that person who happens to be pregnant, didn't choose to be killed that is murder and murder is illegal. I guess it boils down to what your definition of murder is.

I'm thinking that the law makers don't consider abortion to be murder bc the fetus or embryo is not capable of living on its own without the mother, so its not alive???? And I guess therefore can't be murdered???? But again, its contradictory about the double homicide law. Is that law in effect in all states? If I'm not mistaken I think some states still outlaw abortion don't they? I could be wrong. I'm wondering if maybe the states that have the double homicide law also have abortion outlawed?

Sounds like to me its all about what your definition of murder is. Very gray this area is.

Good debate thread.


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Posted: 13 Sep 04, 23:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"Why is it that abotion is legal."

Hooboy...abortion...let's save that for another thread. ;o)


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Posted: 13 Sep 04, 23:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

_M@tt_ wrote:

My view of abortion is I think it's not what I would choose. But that is beside the piont. (and not relevant to voting).


A real christian would vote republican based on this issue alone. LOL


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Posted: 14 Sep 04, 01:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

_M@tt_ wrote:

So, when some one kills a pregnant woman, it is a double homicide. The abortion rights people believe that the fetus is not 'alive' until birth. So why is that? I can legaly get an abortion, yet I can't kill someone pregnant and not get a double homicide charge. Isn't that a double standard?
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First off and to understand the complexities of the issue a bit more, murder is usually a state crime, and thereby governed by state laws. Of course, there are exceptions to this (ie Timothy McVeigh- since he killed federal employees), but by and large, murder falls under the jurisdiction of the individual State. (Remember, it's just like the idea that not every state has capital punishment)

Second, not every state makes it a double homicide. Utah probably does, but I'm sure there are less conservative states that do not classify the murder of a pregnant woman as a double homicide. If you do, then the government is recognizing the life of a fetus (to some extent), thus throwing the issue of abortion into a whole new realm.

Finally, in order to make sense of much of this conundrum, some states have different laws regarding the homicide of a fetus. For instance, murdering a woman who is 5 weeks pregnant and murdering a woman who is 9 months pregnant can result in different charges and punishments for the murderer.

Now, make sense of all that. And when you are done, please do my taxes for me.


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Posted: 14 Sep 04, 04:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Amen..oh and do mine too please.


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Posted: 14 Sep 04, 05:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It's easy - work out how much money you get paid and keep giving to the taxman until you bleed dry...


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