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Posted: 04 Oct 04, 23:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Many of us don't particularly care for Delilah, although it can be viewed as an amusing indulgence to a dying friend....But the question is: would this indulgence have been better served as a B-side to a single such as Headlong or better yet, Slightly Mad? And to replace it on the album, perhaps Lost Opportunity, which I believe fits the somber, yet hopeful tone of the album, or a Freddie-on-vocals version of Driven by You, although that probably wouldn't have been finished in time for the album's release.
It's just nitpicking, really, because Innuendo is a fine, fine album. But it was just a thought.


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Posted: 04 Oct 04, 23:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

well, it might have disappointed a lot of Queen fans who are also "golden shower" enthusiasts, who no doubt rejoice in the "pee all over..." line.

what a god-awful song.


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Posted: 04 Oct 04, 23:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I understand the reason for Delilah, but in the scheme of things, it's not that great of a song, at least compared to the other material on Innuendo. It kind of reminds me of Body Language in a way, because it's one of Freddie's indulgence songs. I agree, though, Lost Opportunity definitely could've fit the theme of the album.


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Posted: 05 Oct 04, 00:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

In a perfect world, 'Self-Made Man' and 'My Secret Fantasy' would have been completed, and 'Lost Opportunity' would have been featured as well, allowing for an altered track list:

Side One: Innuendo / I'm Going Slightly Mad / Headlong / Self-Made Man / My Secret Fantasy / Don't Try So Hard.

Side Two: These Are The Days Of Our Lives / Lost Opportunity / Ride The Wild Wind / The Hitman / Bijou / The Show Must Go On.

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Posted: 05 Oct 04, 01:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Good point, Lester....I heard Self Made Man recently for the first time and was very impressed with the rough dynamics of the song...With some polishing off, it would have been an excellent addition to Innuendo, or even Made in Heaven....


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Posted: 05 Oct 04, 02:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi!

would be a new tread: which song should be replaced by a B-Side on each album? (f.e. I go crazy -> Tear it up, Mad the Swine -> Seven Seas instrumental, Hijack my heart -> Rain must fall, Stealin' -> My baby does me)
And in this case, Delilah is not even worth a B-Side IMHO. If I would write a song like this, and show it to my band (I am bass player BTW) the others would refuse it, that's sure. I don't know how Freddie managed to get a weak song on a brilliant album.


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Posted: 05 Oct 04, 02:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I am not too sure about this, but I read somewhere that Lost Opportunity was recorded much earlier than the rest of Innuendo. Therefore, it would not be appropriate for being on the Innuendo album. they released a lot of old songs as B-sides (Mad the swine etc.).
If Delilah would not be on Innuendo, then it would cease being Innuendo... because the song itself is an innuendo. Ah geez, need more coffee to write something worth reading...


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Posted: 05 Oct 04, 04:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Or they could have just put Delilah as a B-Side and leave 11 tracks in the album. After all, ANATO has 11 too, Races has 10, Magic has 9...

Innuendo would be 11 tracks then, but all very good. I agree Delilah lowers a little the album`s standards, as did Sweet Lady in ANATO. But obviously it`s a matter of opinion


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Posted: 05 Oct 04, 04:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sebastian wrote:

I agree Delilah lowers a little the album`s standards, as did Sweet Lady in ANATO. But obviously it`s a matter of opinion
EXACTLY. I mean, I for one love Delilah. I think it's cute and I also like Brian's playing in it. :)


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Posted: 05 Oct 04, 04:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

juls wrote:

Hi!
And in this case, Delilah is not even worth a B-Side IMHO. If I would write a song like this, and show it to my band (I am bass player BTW) the others would refuse it, that's sure. I don't know how Freddie managed to get a weak song on a brilliant album.


The song as such is an indulgence and like Leroy Brown or Lazing something which people either love or hate (I do love those tracks) but in the context and considering the subtile undertone of the album it fits... the dynamics and the tension of Innuendo are just perfect, it works like a concept-album (which, although they never were, in my opinion SHA, ANATO and ADATR do as well) - while you're still wondering what the hell this Miaouw-Song was, they kick your ass with "Hitman"

As a song I think it's Freddie not taking things too seriously and meant to be taken with a pinch of salt. On the album it's part of a perfectly constructed puzzle, a rollercoaster-ride of different moods. Innuendo is such a great album !


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Posted: 05 Oct 04, 06:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Regor,

sure you are right - but unfortunately the musical quality of Leroy or Lazing is way higher standard! Okay, thats IMHO! :D

Imagine, *you* (and not the three other queen members) would have to pay hundreds or thousands of dollars (or pounds or whatever) for one hour working in the studio... and you would for example record Delilah, say... in 40,50,60 hours. Then the funny little Delilah is a quite expensive joke, don't you think? :D


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Posted: 05 Oct 04, 07:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

juls wrote:


And in this case, Delilah is not even worth a B-Side IMHO. If I would write a song like this, and show it to my band (I am bass player BTW) the others would refuse it, that's sure. I don't know how Freddie managed to get a weak song on a brilliant album.


When a very good friend of yours is dying in the next few months and comes and tells you that he has written a song about his favourite cat and would like to include it on the album you don't tell him to fuck off, do you?

Delilah is a good song in my opinion. All songs don't need to be about death, heartache and pain. Of all songs on the Innuendo album Delilah is the one that is for me the most emotional - a song written by a sick and weak man (compare with Wembley-Freddie), who doesn't have anyone else who is important for him than his cats.


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Posted: 05 Oct 04, 08:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Musically not my fav but... a dying man records a song about important thing in his life- his favourite cat; without being pretentious, without saying crap "I;m leavoing, I feel bad, blah, blah, blah"- he just records about one of the most beloved things for him... It fits the album IMO, it fits the way the album is constructed... Yeah, we can say- this song is better, should be there, but than we'll get a singles collection, not an album- sth as bad as Works or AKOM...

And I totally disagree about Sweet Lady on ANATO- it's a great riff and a great song and it fits the album IMO- more than- let's say- You're My Best Friend... Don't get me wrong- I like the song, but... It stops the dramaturgy for me...


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Posted: 05 Oct 04, 08:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

We all know that Delilah would have never made it into a Queen album if Freddie didn't have a foot on his grave.

It's sad but it's true. Not good enough for a Queen album, although it would have fit the standards of a Freddie Mercury solo album.


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Posted: 05 Oct 04, 10:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What makes Slightly Mad better than Delilah in your opinion (I like both)? It's just as "ridiculous" and no-Queen-ish.


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Posted: 05 Oct 04, 10:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I like Delilah. I remember being embarassed about playing it in the presence of others, but after I got over that, it was a great pleasure. Especially Brian's guitar touches. Nice little track. There's something that feels really good about it. Nice feeling to it.

Peace,
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EDIT: Lost Opportunity is dull from the word, go.

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Posted: 05 Oct 04, 13:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I like Delilah, there's nothing wrong with it. It has a nice Queen-sound and its pure for fun, just like Fat Bottemd Girls. It's a nice epic song, with the nice, warm May guitar sound and I love the Meoow-thing! I don't understand why people don't like this song, although I have to agree that this is the weakest song from the Innuendo-album, but it's certainly not bad!


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Posted: 05 Oct 04, 14:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Delilah is a lovely song,a divertissment in pure Freddie style.Most of all I like the miao guitar solo and like him I really love cats too!
It fit perfectly in Innuendo IMHO,maybe The Hitman is slightly out of place on this album,even though I really like that song too.


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Posted: 05 Oct 04, 14:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Delilah shouldn't be a b-side. In fact, it should have been put-aside. BTW: meow?!!!

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Posted: 06 Oct 04, 03:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I really like Delilah. Innuendo has a lot of melancholy Songs on it, but Delilah is a fun song,Freddie wrote this one just for the cat he really loved. Its nice to see that although he was so ill at that point he still had his old humour. I think this song could also be on "Mr. Bad Guy" its simply Freddie...


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