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Posted: 05 Oct 04, 17:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

what is the oldest queen gig available as a bootleg?
i'm not referring to ibex or smile or any pre-queen stuff - just actual queen

i have the golders' green thing as well as bristol birmingham and oxford 73

but do the marquee or pheasantry gigs from 72 exist


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Posted: 05 Oct 04, 18:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Marquee 1972 exists, though the recording which currently is labelled as 20/12/1972 is actually an edit of the Oxford 1973 show. John Stuart posted some info about a rare 70's bootleg containing the genuine Marquee '72 show.

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Posted: 05 Oct 04, 18:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks Pim. A fuller previous answer could have been found under a cursory search - Forums > Sharing The Music > *WANTED* queens first ever concert (Try punching "Queen" + "First" + "concert" into the search button at the top of the page).

Queen: Unreleased Live, Ewell Technical College 9th January 1971
Line-up: Farrokh Bulsara (vocals), Brian May (guitar), Roger Meddows Taylor (drums), Barry Mitchell (bass).
Supporting Kevin Ayers And The Whole World Band, Flying Fortress and Genesis. The entire set was recorded by Ken Testi on a Grundig tape recorder, but only the Rock ‘n Roll Medley remains. A flyer for this concert is briefly viewed in the official “Genesis - Archive” video.

Rock ‘n Roll Medley;
Jailhouse Rock, Stupid Cupid, Bebop a Lula, Big Spender, Bama Lama Lama Loo.

Barry Mitchell does indeed own a copy - not too sure about the rest of the band. - John S. Stuart - Interview 1992.

Also posted (same thread):

Queen: Unreleased Live, Marquee, London 20th December 1972
Richard Thomson: original mono reel-to-reel. (Earliest known bootleg – but dreadful quality copies compared to reel-to-reel = different sources?).
Christie’s Pop And Guitars Auction, Thursday 6th June 1996. Richard Thomson: Lot 154 sold £2,800. Bought by Queen Productions Ltd – John S Stuart, Record Collector, 11th June 1996.
Set similar to 10th March 1972, except, Night Comes Down, See What A Fool I’ve Been, Stone Cold Crazy, and Hangman dropped from the set. New material includes Doing Alright, and Ogre Battle.

Full set listing:
Great King Rat, Son & Daughter, Jesus, Doing Alright, Ogre Battle, Keep Yourself Alive, Liar, Jailhouse Rock, Bama Lama Lama Loo

Also posted (same thread):

The FULL Golders Green concert: Everything else is just NONESENSE!!!

Queen: Unreleased BBC Radio Session, Live Golders Green Hippodrome 13th September 1973
BBC Pop Spectacular Transcription Services 135600 – S
Rogues And Scoundrels Bootleg LP
Saturday Night’s All Right For Fighting Bootleg CD
Cry Argentina Bootleg CD
In Concert BBC Radio One. Broadcast 13th Sept 1973. Produced by Jeff Griffin, sound balance by John Etchells, leaping about Paul Deley. Available as BBC Pop Spectacular Transcription Services LP 135600 – S. (Rock ‘n Roll Medley cut from broadcast, LP transcription and bootleg discs).
Procession, Father To Son, Son & Daughter, See What A Fool I've Been, Ogre Battle, Liar, Jailhouse Rock, Stupid Cupid, Bebop a Lula, Big Spender, Bama Lama Lama Loo.

There is NO Hangman or slow Stone Cold Crazy - this is just more innuendo that I keep squashing - but there are always those who like to believe the mythology rather than the facts.

BTW: If interested (it is illegal to sell BBC transcription discs) I will "donote" a mint copy of the album "free" - to whoever is willing to pay c£500 for my "Play the Game" 7"!!!






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Posted: 06 Oct 04, 02:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

LOL @ the last sentence :)

Anyway, indeed the three oldest recordings are exactly as John says - from what I know, John Deacon also has a VERY old Queen live recording too but I don't remember the date and I heard he's definitely not willing to give it away so...

Full Golders Green is in the BBC archives and IF Queen Productions ever decide to release an old concert, it definitely should be this one.

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Posted: 06 Oct 04, 04:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John, if it`s possible, could you tell me something? Was Doin` All Right performed the Smile way (with guitar doing the intro) or did they already fix a piano?


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Posted: 06 Oct 04, 11:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Seb: "...Was Doin` All Right performed the Smile way (with guitar doing the intro) or did they already fix a piano?"
A bit of both - no Piano on stage as yet, but certainly more "Queen" arrangement than "Smile".

Mr. Scully: "...John Deacon also has a VERY old Queen live recording too but I don't remember the date...".
Martin, do you think this could be the first half of the 9th January 1971, Ewell Technical College gig? It would be great if it was, as it would mean that the complete gig would exist in some form!




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Posted: 06 Oct 04, 11:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I wrote: "Martin, do you think this could be the first half of the 9th January 1971, Ewell Technical College gig? It would be great if it was, as it would be that the complete gig would exist in some form!"

Sorry, but that was a silly thing to say. My reasoning was that if both parts of the evening were recorded over two reels then theoretically it could have been possible.

Sadly, this could not the case as one reel is owned by Barry Mitchell, and the other by John Deacon, and as we know the later replaced the former - so they cannot be from the same gig.

That's what I get for Premature excitement!!!


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Posted: 06 Oct 04, 14:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

so basically the tapes aren't ever likely to be public domain?


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Posted: 06 Oct 04, 14:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Brenski: "so basically the tapes aren't ever likely to be public domain?"

Mr. Scully: "John Deacon also has a VERY old Queen live recording too but... he's definitely not willing to give it away..."
John S Stuart: "Queen: Unreleased Live, Marquee, London 20th December 1972... Christie’s Pop And Guitars Auction... Lot 154 sold £2,800".

I guess that's why they are so valuable.


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Posted: 06 Oct 04, 17:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

i'd pay that for it

but is it the earliest queen lineup recording?

what about the college stuff and the kings' road gigs? do they exist


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Posted: 06 Oct 04, 17:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Brenski, as "Queen" - yes. There is earlier live stuff for both "Reaction" & "1984", but this is it for "Queen" I am afraid.

I must confess, I am very curious about the "John Deacon Tape", but I think it would be safe to assume that it would be later than the Barry Mitchell material.


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Posted: 06 Oct 04, 22:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Cripes. A non-Deaky bootleg? My my. Sounds loathesomely interesting.


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Posted: 07 Oct 04, 03:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"I am very curious about the "John Deacon Tape", but I think it would be safe to assume that it would be later than the Barry Mitchell material."

Agree, that sounds likely.

Brian has a huge collection of some early stuff but I have absolutely no idea what exactly he has. Don't know if John Stuart has some info about Brian's collection? Does it include only his solo (1984) stuff or some early live Queen recordings as well?