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Posted: 05 Oct 04, 17:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

this tour has been slammed in the past as being one of their worst. but i loved it:-
1. freddie really interacted with the audience
2. the stageset was the best queen set ever
3. the jukebox medley of older hits (perhaps the inspiration for their liveaid idea)
4. it was also queen's last BIG tour in medium-sized non-stadium venues - ie - i got to see them in my local town, and it felt more personal
5. oh yeah and lastly - i was luck enough to see them because they added another date (2/9/84) and Birmingham really rocked that night!!!


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Posted: 05 Oct 04, 18:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I would suspect that anyone who saw a show on the Works tour would defend it. You were lucky to see them live at all... I'm sure many people on here haven't.
From what I've heard from that tour it's not one of my favorites. I get the feeling of the band rushing through the set. Several medleys will do that. I've only heard a few shows so I really can't state a concrete opinion on the tour as a whole.


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Posted: 05 Oct 04, 18:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

brenski wrote:

this tour has been slammed in the past as being one of their worst. but i loved it:-
1. freddie really interacted with the audience
2. the stageset was the best queen set ever
3. the jukebox medley of older hits (perhaps the inspiration for their liveaid idea)
4. it was also queen's last BIG tour in medium-sized non-stadium venues - ie - i got to see them in my local town, and it felt more personal
5. oh yeah and lastly - i was luck enough to see them because they added another date (2/9/84) and Birmingham really rocked that night!!!


Lucky you. The band wasn't very close at that time, so for them it's not the best tour. I do enjoy the Milan 84 (First Night) bootleg though. Great King Rat is cool :-D


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Posted: 05 Oct 04, 18:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The Works tour and The News of The World tour were IMO the two best tours Queen did! Yes Birmingham rocked on both nights. BTW I thought General Public were a great support as well although they didn't go down with the Queen fans too well. On the Works tour the improvisations and the bringing back of songs like Great King Rat really made the show interesting, Loved the Magic tour but it was more of a Greatest Hits set played for the Stadium audience.


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Posted: 05 Oct 04, 18:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

How could I forget to mention the Osaka 85 show. That concert had one of the best setlists ever... I hope that one will be in the "Top 100 bootleg download project" (if that will ever happen; I haven't heard about it for a while:-S )


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Posted: 05 Oct 04, 18:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Lucky you. The band wasn't very close at that time, so for them it's not the best tour. I do enjoy the Milan 84 (First Night) bootleg though. Great King Rat is cool :-D


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Posted: 05 Oct 04, 20:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well I think the Works tour really wasn't the best tour Queen did, I think I dislike the most. But the stage was the best. If only they did put a more Rock into it, they sound so soft, so 80's this tour.

My favourite tour is the NEW OF TEH WORLD 77/78 pitty only a few good bootlegs are availble from this tour...




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Posted: 06 Oct 04, 02:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Very nice setlist...
Incredibly shitty drums...
Very poor vocal performance...

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Posted: 06 Oct 04, 03:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mr. Scully wrote:

Very nice setlist...
Incredibly shitty drums...
Very poor vocal performance...
And that sums it all...

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Posted: 06 Oct 04, 04:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hate the electronic drums on Another one bites the dust, but the stage was wonderful...


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Posted: 06 Oct 04, 04:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yes the setlist as Osaka was great. On paper. but once we go from theory to practice we find out that:

- Tear It Up - Incomplete & Shitty Drums
- Tie Your Mother Down - Weak Drums
- Under Pressure - Quite nice but imo both HS and Magic tours were better in this one
- Somebody To Love - Incomplete
- Piano Improvisation - It was nice but I`d have preferred if they did the previous song full
- Killer - Incomplete & Crappy Drums
- Seven Seas - Incomplete
- Keep Yourself - Incomplete, misses the best parts
- Liar - Incomplete (were they high when decided to cut off this masterpiece?)
- Impromptu - Fine but those 3 minutes could have been used in doing one of those songs full
- It`s A Hard Life - Fine, but why add synths to it? It`d sound fine with only the four of them
- Dragon Attack - Nice, but those crappy drums ruined it
- Now I`m Here - Ditto
- Is This The World - Good version, indeed
- Love Of My Life - There are many better ones
- Guitar Solo - I find it unnecesary in the first place, not only in this tour. But not in all tours either
- Brighton Rock Finale - A great part. Roger played the drums wonderfully there, but those drums sounded awful
- Another One Bites - Imo, boring.
- Mustapha Intro - Nice, but many concerts have it FULL
- Hammer To Fall - Those drums take off its energy. The song was waaaaaay better in Magic Tour
- Crazy Little Thing - Ditto
- Saturday Night - Always great. I love it.
- Bo Rhap - Rock section doesn`t really rock with those drums. Great playing by all four, but there are other 10 or so tours in which they also played good but in better instruments

- Radio Ga Ga - Nothing against it, except for the synths. Listen to the Extreme version. With just bass, drums and guitar they did it good and it was more powerful. So why Queen put those shitty synths and e-drums?

- Break Free - ditto
- Jailhouse Rock - the song is nice, the rendition isn`t. I prefer the ones in the 70s
- Rest of Rn`R Medley - If only those drums were deep...
- Rock You - Ditto
- Champions - Ditto (and why on earth did they have to put synth on it?)

So imo, it`s not about quantity, it`s about quality. Hammersmith Odeon (xmas `75) had a much shorter setlist but they played most of the songs complete, they played great music just the four of them, did awesome harmonies (e.g. Liar), and those drums rocked.


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Posted: 06 Oct 04, 04:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Fantastic post, Sebastian...Feel free to run down more set lists, especially the US and Europe Hot Space shows....
And you are dead correct on the drums issue.


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Posted: 06 Oct 04, 05:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sebastian: Maybe the shitty drums sound better on a soundboard recording than on the audience one? (I bet so, or do you have a soundboard recording?)

They played a lot of songs so they had to shorten some. Though I like the SSOR-KYA-Liar medley. The piano improvisation and Saturday... are really cool


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Posted: 06 Oct 04, 06:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The thing is, I don`t mean The Works tour is bad. And I did missexpress myself with the "shitty/crappy drums" statements. Those drums sound good, only not even half as deep, powerful and authentic as in any Queen tour until Hot Space or as Magic.

Sorry for the confusion


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Posted: 06 Oct 04, 07:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

and being there at the NEC B'ham 2/9/84
the sound was awesome...it compares well with crazy tour and wembley/knebworth and MK for sound - and i know as i was live at all five

the works tour had a very good feel to it...bass/drums nice and loud - freddie playing about a bit and the "medleys" people have referred to are nothing new- they've always been there - the set was as long as wembley and mk too


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Posted: 06 Oct 04, 15:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I have the 'Final live in Japan' DVD, and I think
the drum sound is weak and there are too much
keyboards / Synthesizers.


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Posted: 06 Oct 04, 15:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

All I can say is, I wish I was able to see the Works tour. They never toured in the U.S. after 1982. So to those who did see it, consider yourself lucky they played in your area!


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Posted: 06 Oct 04, 17:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

and anyhow - the sound offf a pirate/bootleg dvd/cd is bound to sound hollow when compared to actually being there
my wife doesn't evn like queen - but she even said they rocked at the NEC B'ham (works tours 84)

i don't think anyone who didn't see them on that tour can make a coment about the sound/quality of the gigs compared to the recording quality of the bootlegs....
end of argument


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Posted: 07 Oct 04, 03:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sebastian is right although he forgot to mention Stone Cold Crazy / Great King Rat / keyboards solo (very nice medley) and I think the drums in Dragon Attack sounded actually better than in other songs on that tour.

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Posted: 07 Oct 04, 04:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Another important point is that there`s no way the sound of the release (even if it`s DVD, even if it has overdubs, even if the off pitch voices are deleted or replaced) compares to the sound of the event: being there, hearing Brian`s wall of sound, hearing Fred`s piano through huge stereo amps, etc. I realise now that, in the gig, drums should have sounded great too.

And that`s just the sound, let alone the feeling. I really should see Eagles then. They`re coming at the end of the month. I have to see if I can re-arrange my money.


John hated HS. Fred's fave singer was not PR. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Scotland's not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.