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Posted: 06 Oct 04, 08:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Maybe I'm the only one who hears it this way, but... Don't you think those songs come from pretty much similar idea...? Just like "Feel Like" leads to "Under Pressure", but doesn't sound too much like it... Don't you think those two come from the same kind of place, that musically they are somehow connected...? (not by the fact that both are done by the same band, of course:) ) Or maybe it's just me, I don't know....

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Posted: 06 Oct 04, 10:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"Don't you think those two come from the same kind of place"

Nah I doubt it. Hangman was played in the early 70s. Dog with a Bone was recorded in 1989, So i doubt anyone remembered Hangman 16 years later


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Posted: 06 Oct 04, 12:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I know they were ages apart timewise, but... It's more about coming from similar way of thinking- similar way of writing a song... Sometimes ppl do copy themselves, not intentionally... I'm not saying Dog With A Bone is re-done Dog With A Bone- I just hear some resemblance, that's all...

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Posted: 06 Oct 04, 13:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

yes, they sounds similar... i didnt think about it before...


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Posted: 06 Oct 04, 14:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

it's just style - that's all
but you could do that with most queen songs
(take JD's early writing - if we must) misfire/you and i even need your loving tonight - very similar feel
i think a lot of musicians like writing to a similar style - they find a formula and stick with it
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Posted: 06 Oct 04, 18:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

White Man/The Prophet's Song
Son and Daughter/Brighton Rock
My Fairy King/MOTBQ/Bo-Rhap
etc.


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Posted: 07 Oct 04, 12:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"White Man/The Prophet's Song"

I don't see any similarity in those songs.



Btw, Hangman and Dog With a Bone aren't from the same composer


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Posted: 07 Oct 04, 12:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"White Man/The Prophet's Song"

I don't see any similarity in those songs.



Btw, Hangman and Dog With a Bone aren't from the same composer


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Posted: 07 Oct 04, 23:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

TPS contains a lot of little themes that were used again on WM and further QUEEN songs (e.g: the end riff - on WWRY).

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Posted: 08 Oct 04, 10:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thats the A D/A progression, Which brian used a lot. I don't think he used it in White Man though.


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Posted: 08 Oct 04, 16:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

has it been revealed who is the composer of Dog With A Bone?

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Posted: 22 Oct 04, 10:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Jimi Hendrix, innit?


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Posted: 22 Oct 04, 16:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Fenderek: Here is a copy a a reply in the "...debut album" thread.

EddieVanHalen: Sorry to disagree, but I think "Dog With A Bone" comes from a much later period, and I also believe it was especially written for the fans attending one of the mid 1980 Queen conventions.

I may be mistaken about the last point, but, perhaps someone who was there could clarify that for us. (Certainly, that's where the bootleg copies come from).

Another common problem Eddie is that it all depends upon the source material you are listening to. The closer to the master - the better the quality - and a myriad of things can corrupt inbetween.

I also have to agree with Adam, that it could be a retro rather than a genuine sound. For example, the Tom Hanks movie "That Thing You Do" was based around a 1960's pastiche written in the late 1990's.

Finally: Have you ever thought that this track was re-cycled? That is you may be partially correct in that some genuine bits of "Hangman" were later reused to create a new track - A sort of "Hangman" revisited? (Again, perhaps Seb would be the one to ask here). I know that during another mid-1980's convention, the members of Queen delivered a personal messages to their fans over the "Invisible Man" instrumental track. Not exactly a remix, but good solid evidence to support a re-cycling theory.

Of course, if that re-cycling theory was demonstrated to be correct, it would mean that Queen "then" had the "Hangman" masters at their disposal (or else how could they recycle?), but, that was before the "great plane robbery" (do you think that's what inspired the unreleased track?) so God only knows if it exists still.

Sorry Eddie, I would love to give you a better or more definitive answer, but this is the best I can do.

PS: I have already answered this post. It is on page 5 of this thread.

PPS: Why the obsession with "Dog With A Bone" and "Hangman"?



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Posted: 22 Oct 04, 18:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sorry, but what's this about the "great plane robbery"?

And did you get my e-mail, John?