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Posted: 12 Oct 04, 08:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

From the Daily Vault site I saw this:

"The first song, "Ogre Battle," starts with its own ending played backwards, and then runs like hell for four minutes before sliding into "The Fairy Feller's Master Stroke"

Don't recall ever hearing anything about the beginning of the song being the end in reverse. Can anyone confirm this?


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Posted: 12 Oct 04, 09:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Ofcourse it is - you can paste the reversed beginning at the end so that it doesn't go into Fairy Feller.

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Posted: 12 Oct 04, 09:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Pim Derks wrote:

Ofcourse it is - you can paste the reversed beginning at the end so that it doesn't go into Fairy Feller.


Don't have any music editing software etc, so never tried it!


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Posted: 12 Oct 04, 10:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I suppose I always knew it was "backwards" but didn't know it was the end of the song reversed and put on the front!


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Posted: 12 Oct 04, 12:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

as epitomised on beatles tracks "Rain", "strawberry Fields" and much of the "Revolver" album


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Posted: 12 Oct 04, 13:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

you dont need so much technology...

i did it turning the tape of a casette copy years ago ;)

that must sounds very GA-GA this days... :S




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Posted: 12 Oct 04, 13:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color=green>Bren</font><font color=red>ski wrote:

as epitomised on beatles tracks "Rain", "strawberry Fields" and much of the "Revolver" album


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Posted: 12 Oct 04, 14:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Posted: 12 Oct 04, 16:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Maybe someone will edit this song, upload it and give us a link?

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Posted: 12 Oct 04, 16:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

ironic that you used that particular quote Juls - when the three examples i used were all (coincidentally) mainly John's work -


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Posted: 12 Oct 04, 16:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

this is true, listen to it very closely and you will notice it.


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Posted: 13 Oct 04, 00:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Windows Sound Recorder (in Win98, at least) will allow you to reverse the track, too! you can edit the track (like, just the end) then just reverse that segment to see.

This is definitely true. I have DJ turntables which safely play vinyl backwards (spun with your finger) and have done it to the amusement of my friends.




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Posted: 13 Oct 04, 04:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

the intro of Ogre Battle is half backwards/half forwards from 0:32 to 1:04. 0:32 to 0:48 is a backwards version of 0:48 to 1:04.

So to hear the backwards bit forwards, don't stop listening...

If anyone needs a more technical explanation of how to hear it...then I despair, frankly.



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Posted: 13 Oct 04, 04:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Ogre Battle has the riff three times:

1st - Intro
2nd - Before Interlude
3rd - Outro

They all have differences: 1st one is done the whole time by bass, drums and double tracked guitar. 2nd starts with guitars and hi-hats only (similar to live version) and after two repetitions bass and full drums join. 3rd Starts "a capella" (just guitars, no rhythm support), then drums & bass join (as well as two overdub guitars), and it ends in the Dm chord instead of D. Moreover there`s a Gong at the end. But it`s edited since they faded it out to put the intro of Fairy Feller`s fading in over that.

Now, what did the guys do? They reversed the last riff (without the fade in, I mean with the full gong sound) and put it in the front as sort of pre-intro. So it starts with the gong "coming" (moreover since it had been reverbered, there`s a strange "phantom" effect), then the Dm chord, then the psycedelic effects. After that it`s the normal one.

A nice trick with intros indeed. Years later there`s another song by Freddie with that kind of thing: Was It All Worth It. Note that the intro is done in several variants through the song (in music-box, then guitars, then before second verse, before the solo, twice at the end first in guitars, bass & drums, then just a new age pad, also ending differently). And, if you check closely, the first bars of the song are the reversed synth intro


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Posted: 13 Oct 04, 08:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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If anyone needs a more technical explanation of how to hear it...then I despair, frankly.



2 words, first begins with F, the second with O.


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Posted: 13 Oct 04, 16:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

no idea why you're taking that personally, but fair enough.

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Posted: 14 Oct 04, 01:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sebastian wrote:

And, if you check closely, the first bars of the song are the reversed synth intro


Sweet, I'll have to check that out.


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Posted: 14 Oct 04, 09:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Penetration_Guru wrote:

no idea why you're taking that personally, but fair enough.


'Cause you started off being helpful, then decided to deride and belittle people by the last comment.


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Posted: 14 Oct 04, 16:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mate, if the forwards version follows immediately after the backwards version (as I thought it did), then hearing it couldn't be easier could it?

Anyone who feels belittled by that has rather too little self worth...

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Posted: 15 Oct 04, 04:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Penetration_Guru wrote:

Mate, if the forwards version follows immediately after the backwards version (as I thought it did), then hearing it couldn't be easier could it?

Anyone who feels belittled by that has rather too little self worth...


Why add the last comment? The only reason can be to be snide. The fact that you identify that one follows the other, then that is enough. You've been helpful, and leave it at that. If I've got the wrong end of the stick from the last bit, then I apologise, but I can't think of any other reason for you to put that other than to imply you think everyone's so thick as to need this explained. That's the inference I took from it, anyway.


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