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Posted: 20 Oct 04, 11:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

EddieVanHalen: "I really wish we could have more topics like this one about hot space or other albums or songs".

OK. Why not? It is a good idea and this is one of the main reasons why we are are here isn't it? so let's start at the beginning, with the Queen eponymous debut album.

But, this is NOT a lecture... it is a dialogue. Feel free to contribute, feel free to disagree... if the following list is "over-sensitive" - what would you like me to do - censor it? All I ask is that we keep it civil and interesting, and I look forward to reading YOUR replies. Who knows - if
successful, we may even move onto "Queen II"!

1971

Queen: Unreleased Live, Ewell Technical College 9th January 1971
Line-up: Farrokh Bulsara (vocals), Brian May (guitar), Roger Meddows Taylor (drums), Barry Mitchell (bass).
Supporting Kevin Ayers And The Whole World Band, Flying Fortress and Genesis. The entire set was recorded by Ken Testi on a Grundig tape recorder, but only the Rock ‘n Roll Medley remains. A flyer for this concert is briefly viewed in the official “Genesis - Archive” video
Rock ‘n Roll Medley;
Jailhouse Rock, Stupid Cupid, Bebop a Lula, Big Spender, Bama Lama Lama Loo

Queen: Unreleased De Lane Lea Demo Tape, October 1971 – February 1972
(Edit: Lester Burnham... five demos at De Lane Lea Studios were recorded on September 18, 1971 - Good shout Lester - but personally I think this would have taken longer considering that Queen were only allowed to use "downtime" - however the fact that it was recorded ABOUT this time is a great help).

In The Beginning Bootleg CD
Line-up: Farrokh Bulsara (vocals), Brian May (guitar), Roger Meddows Taylor (drums), Deacon John (bass).
Recorded September – October 1971/ January – February 1972. Recorded by Louie Austin.
Keep Yourself Alive
Night Comes Down
Great King Rat
Jesus
Liar

1972
Queen: Unreleased De Lane Lea Demo Tape, October 1971 – February 1972
In The Beginning Bootleg CD
Line-up: Farrokh Bulsara (vocals), Brian May (guitar), Roger Meddows Taylor (drums), Deacon John (bass). Recorded September – October 1971/ January – February 1972. Recorded by Louie Austin.
Keep Yourself Alive
Night Comes Down
Great King Rat
Jesus
Liar

Al Stewart: Past, Present And Future
Recorded 1972/ Released Nov 1973
UK 1973 LP Version CBS 32036
UK 1992 CD Version BGO BGO CD 155
US 1992 CD Version Rhino R2 71045
Produced by John Anthony (Smile, Queen), at Trident Studios.
Old Admirals, Warren Harding, Soho (Needless To Say), Last Day Of June 1934, Post World War Two Blues, Roads To Moscow, Terminal Eyes, Nostradamus
Roads To Moscow
(As It Began p 66: Roger Meddows Taylor - Percussion two unspecified tracks - but "Roads To Moscow" since identified as one those)

Eugene Wallace: Dangerous
Recorded 1972/ Released 1975
UK 1975 LP Version EMI EMC 3067
Produced by Robin Geoffrey Cable (Nevermore, March Of The Black Queen), and Del Newman at
Trident Studios.
Reach Out And Touch Me, Red Light Lady, Kind Woman Kind, Lies, Lullaby, Killers, Children, Little Baby Mine, Dangerous
Dangerous
Roger Meddows Taylor Percussion on unspecified track (Believed to be Dangerous). Guest artists include Phil Chen, Phil Collins & Mike Moran.
1975 UK 7” Kind Woman Kind/ Dangerous (Trident SPSR 381)
1978 UK 7” To Love Somebody/ Loving You Was Sunshine (Airola ARO 129) = NO Queen

Queen: Live Various Gigs 1972
Only a handful of live sets performed this year. No pre-1972 bootleg tapes exist.
January Various London pub/clubs including the Peasantry Club, Chelsea
10th March Kings College Hospital
09th April Marquee Basingstoke College
01st November Forest Hill Hospital
November Pleasantry Club
20th December Marquee

Queen: Unreleased Live, King's College Hospital, London 10th March 1972
For Information only - does not exist
Not recorded. Set list supplied from Miller’s Rock And Pop Memorabilia


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Posted: 20 Oct 04, 11:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

1973

Queen
Line-up: Freddie Mercury (vocals), Brian May (guitar), Roger Meddows Taylor (drums), Deacon John (bass).
Recorded June – Nov 1972. Released 13th July 1973. Produced by John Anthony, Roy Thomas Baker & Queen at Trident Studios, London, for Neptune Productions. Engineered by Roy Thomas Baker, Mike Stone, Ted Sharpe & Dave Hertschel. Night Comes Down recorded by Louie Austin.

Keep Yourself Alive
(8 different Takes/Versions: Brian May/Alexis Korner BBC Radio One 03rd April 1983)
Album Version Queen: EMI CDP 7 462 04 2
US 7" 3:25 Edit Elektra E-45106-B (…Bites The Dust)
Long Lost Re-take 4:05 Queen: US 1991 Hollywood HR-61064-2
De Lane Lea Original Demo 3:40 In The Beginning: Miko QCD 01
Karaoke Instrumental Edit Japan Toshiba EMI TOLW - 3249.50
BBC 05.02.1973 (3:51) Queen At The Beeb: BOJCD 001
BBC 25.07.1973 (3:40) Freddie's Boys At The Beeb: Bulsara Records
Intro Edit: 33” Total Guitar CD Magazine
Starlicks Video Edit Starlicks Video
Karaoke/CD Full Instrumental (3:38) Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc
BBC Old Grey Whistle Test Best Of The Test: Windsong OGWT CD 1
Exposed Fake Mono Demo Exposed MC
Alternative Trident Takes/Mixes Unreleased: Brian May Interview
BBC Old Grey Whistle Test Reconstructed Video Unreleased: Home Video
Promotional Video Greatest Flix I & II: Pioneer PLMPD 01171
Promotional Video (Brian's Mother's Coat) Version Unreleased: Home video
BBC Old Grey Whistle Test Original Video Erased

Doing All Right
Doing All Right Smile De Lane Lea Studios 1968
Album Version Queen: EMI CDP 7 462 04 2
Smile Original Ghost of A Smile: CDP 1049 DD
BBC 05.02.1973 (4:14) Queen At The Beeb: BOJCD 001
Buczko Queen/Smile Hybrid Duet 5:03 ISDN Download
Trident Alternative Takes/Mixes Unreleased:
Video 4:22 Extended Intro Champions Of The World: PLMPB 01141

Great King Rat
Album Version Queen: EMI CDP 7 462 04 2
De Lane Lea Original Demo 6:02 In The Beginning: Miko QCD 01
BBC 03.12.1973 (6:01) Queen At The Beeb: BOJCD 001
Exposed Fake Mono Demo Exposed MC
Undubbed Version Unreleased:
Small Odd Ends Unreleased:

My Fairy King
Album Version Queen: EMI CDP 7 462 04 2
BBC 05.02.1973 (4:09) Queen At The Beeb: BOJCD 001
Exposed Fake Mono Demo Exposed MC
Freddie Solo Piano Demo Unreleased:

Liar
Album Version Queen: EMI CDP 7 462 04 2
US 7" 3:01 Edit US Elektra EK 45884
De Lane Lea Original Demo 7:46 In The Beginning: Miko QCD 01
BBC 05.02.1973 (6:32) Queen At The Beeb: BOJCD 001
BBC 25.07.1973 (6:24) Freddie's Boys At The Beeb: Bulsara Records
1991 Luango & Hellman 6:25 Remix Queen: US 1991 Hollywood HR-61064-2
1998 eYe Intro 1:24 Edit No 1 Electronic Arts DDE05501 101S
1998 eYe Intro 1:24 Edit No 2 Electronic Arts DDE05501 101S
Intro Edit: 13” Total Guitar CD Magazine
Starlicks Video Edit Starlicks Video
Rough Demo Unreleased:
Promotional Video Greatest Flix I & II: Pioneer PLMPD 01171

Night Comes Down
Album Version Queen: EMI CDP 7 462 04 2
De Lane Lea Original Demo 4:19 In The Beginning: Miko QCD 01
1998 eYe Intro “45 Edit Electronic Arts DDE05501 101S
Exposed Fake Mono Demo Exposed MC
Original Trident Studios Version Unreleased:

Modern Times Rock and Roll
Album Version Queen: EMI CDP 7 462 04 2
1998 eYe Edit Electronic Arts DDE05501 101S
Starlicks Video Edit Starlicks Video
BBC 03.12.1973 (2:03) Queen At The Beeb: BOJCD 001
BBC 03.04.1974 (2:43) Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc
eYe/CD Full Instrumental (1:47) Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc
Rough Demo Unreleased:

Son and Daughter
Album Version Queen: EMI CDP 7 462 04 2
BBC 03.12.1973 (7:11) Queen At The Beeb: BOJCD 001
BBC 25.07.1973 (5:54) Freddie's Boys At The Beeb: Bulsara Records
Out-Take Version(s) Unreleased:

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Posted: 20 Oct 04, 11:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Excellent!

As far as I know, the five demos at De Lane Lea Studios were recorded on September 18, 1971 - I got this information from the fan club years ago when they used to not only update daily with worthwhile news, but also did the "on this day xx years ago". So, who knows if it actually took them one day to record five songs or not, but the September - October timespan sounds a little more accurate.

EDIT: Extremely interesting, regarding the last few songs - I did not know that 'Mad The Swine' was going to be featured between 'Great King Rat' and 'My Fairy King'; I had it pegged as an ideal album closer in lieu of 'Seven Seas Of Rhye...'. Also, I was convinced that 'See What A Fool' was an outtake from the debut album, as it didn't seem like an ideal "Queen II" track. However, that's not saying it actually originates from the sessions from the first album, but it would make far more sense. To me, at least.

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Posted: 20 Oct 04, 11:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Queen: BBC Radio Session, 5th February 1973 – Queen At The Beeb
Recorded 05.02.1973. Broadcast 15.02.1973. Studio Langham 1, John Peel Sounds Of The Seventies. Produced by Bernie Andrews, Engineered by John Etchells. Officially released 14th Dec 1989 as Queen At The Beeb, Band Of Joy BOJCD 001. Keep Yourself Alive, on 21 Years Of Alternative Radio One, CD Strange Fruit SFRCD 2000.
My Fairy King
Keep Yourself Alive
Doin’ Alright
Liar

Queen: Unreleased BBC Radio Session, 25th July 1973 – Freddie’s Boys At The Beeb
Freddie’s Boys At The Beeb Bootleg LP
From The Beeb To Tokyo Bootleg CD
Recorded 25.07.1973. Broadcast 13.08.1973. Studio Langham 1, Bob Harris Sounds Of The Seventies. Produced by Jeff Griffin. Engineered by Chris Lycett & John Etchells. Originally aired as a three-track session. Repeated 24.09.1973 (including a fourth, bonus track, Keep Yourself Alive). All pre 1980 BBC radio sessions officially erased.
See What A Fool I’ve Been Smile: Royal Albert Hall 27th February 1969
Liar
Son And Daughter
(Keep Yourself Alive)

Queen: Unreleased BBC Radio Session, Live Golders Green Hippodrome 13th September 1973
BBC Pop Spectacular Transcription Services 135600 – S
Rogues And Scoundrels Bootleg LP
Saturday Night’s All Right For Fighting Bootleg CD
Cry Argentina Bootleg CD
In Concert BBC Radio One. Broadcast 13th Sept 1973. Produced by Jeff Griffin, sound balance by John Etchells, leaping about Paul Deley. Available as BBC Pop Spectacular Transcription Services LP 135600 – S. (Rock ‘n Roll Medley cut from broadcast, LP transcription and bootleg discs).
Procession, Father To Son, Son & Daughter, See What A Fool I've Been, Ogre Battle, Liar, Jailhouse Rock, Stupid Cupid, Bebop a Lula, Big Spender, Bama Lama Lama Loo

Queen: BBC Radio Session, 3rd December 1973 – Queen At The Beeb
Recorded 03.12.1973. Broadcast 06.12.1973. Studio Langham 1, John Peel Sounds Of The Seventies. Produced by Bernie Andrews. Engineered by Mike Franks & Nick Griffiths. Officially released 14th Dec 1989 as Queen At The Beeb, Band Of Joy BOJCD 001.
Great King Rat
Modern Times Rock ‘n Roll
Son And Daughter
Ogre Battle

Al Stewart: Past, Present And Future
Recorded 1972/ Released Nov 1973
UK 1973 LP Version CBS 32036
UK 1992 CD Version BGO BGO CD 155
US 1992 CD Version Rhino R2 71045
Produced by John Anthony (Smile, Queen), at Trident Studios.
Old Admirals, Warren Harding, Soho (needless To Say), Last Day Of June 1934, Post World War Two Blues, Roads To Moscow, Terminal Eyes, Nostradamus
Roads To Moscow
(Roger Taylor Percussion. Roger can’t recall the tracks he plays on – but it was two tracks only)

Roads To Moscow
(As It Began p 66: Roger Meddows Taylor - Percussion two unspecified tracks - but "Roads To Moscow" since identified as one those)

Queen: Unreleased Live Golders Green Hippodrome, 13th September 1973 (see above)
Procession, Father To Son, Son & Daughter, See What A Fool I've Been, Ogre Battle, Liar, Jailhouse Rock, Stupid Cupid, Bebopa Lula, Big Spender, Bama Lama Lama Loo

Queen: Unreleased Live Oxford, 20th November 73
Bama Lama Lama Lou

Queen: Unreleased Live Town Hall, Birmingham, 27th November 1973
A Night At The Court Bootleg LP
(Additional set info: Greg Brooks)
Procession, Father To Son, Son & Daughter, Ogre Battle, See What A Fool I’ve Been, Great King Rat, Jailhouse Rock/Shake Rattle & Roll/Stupid Cupid/Jailhouse Rock (reprise), Hangman, Keep Yourself Alive, Liar, Big Spender, Bamalama Lamalou








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Posted: 20 Oct 04, 11:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

So remind me - where does "Circles" fit in - or does that come later?

Plenty to discuss there I hope. As I said, keep it civil. It was written as a "serious piece" in the spirit of "community information". Remember, I too am receptive to positive constructive comments.


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Posted: 20 Oct 04, 11:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

all I can say to some of this
/drool


MY GOD spell it write.
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Posted: 20 Oct 04, 11:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Lester Burnham wrote:

Excellent!

As far as I know, the five demos at De Lane Lea Studios were recorded on September 18, 1971 - I got this information from the fan club years ago when they used to not only update daily with worthwhile news, but also did the "on this day xx years ago". So, who knows if it actually took them one day to record five songs or not, but the September - October timespan sounds a little more accurate.


correct, Lester, sounds accurate :)

http://www.brianmay.com/queen/rcjan00/rcjan00.html



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Posted: 20 Oct 04, 11:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I will second that "drool" and ask for a kleenex.

Now, what's this about Circles, John? I'd never heard anything about that.

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Posted: 20 Oct 04, 12:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

So remind me - where does "Circles" fit in - or does that come later?

It was a very early Brain May collaboration - which only turned up about a year ago. I bought the CD but it was (in my opinion) disapointing.

YV perhaps recalls better than I do - perhaps someone could ask her as I have lost her e-mail.
(YV - what do you recall about "Circles" - and do you still have a link to the site?). Thanks - John xxx (Yes, that WAS grovelling!!!).


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Posted: 20 Oct 04, 12:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Ha! Excuse me while I grab my bucket.

EDIT: of course, that was a joke. I do have Barbara's email address somewhere, John, I'll pass it along to you.

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Posted: 20 Oct 04, 12:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Bump, so that this remains fresh on Queenzoners minds. Hopefully spurring some debate or awe.

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Posted: 20 Oct 04, 13:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John, lest I be accused of "grovelling" I'd just like to thank you for sharing the information that most of us don't have access to, and for not letting the recent drama stop you from doing so.

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A sincere thank you to Mr. Stuart. For about 90% of us Queenzoners, these kind of posts are the highlight of the board. I really appreciate it.


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Posted: 20 Oct 04, 13:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"Stand Up And Fight" by "Quartz"

You can read about this CD here:
http://www.rockdetector.com/artist,7114,rdbio.sm

The "Quartz" 1977 debut album "Stand Up And Fight" featured sessions including Brian May as guest guitarist on a track called "Circles" (which also featured Ozzy Osbourne on backing vocals). The track was not included on the eventual album release - but WAS later released as the B-side to the "Quartz" single - "Stoking The Fires Of Hell".

Earlier this year (2004) Majestic Rock (US) re-issued the debut "Quartz" CD called "Stand Up And Fight" - including "Circles" as an extra track.

So clearly this track has nothing to do with "Queen" until circa "News Of The World" period. The only reason I mentioned it above was becuase I could not recall from memory whether it was an early or late 1970's session track. I can now see that it does not slot into the "Queen" debut time-frame, and I apologise for any hopes raised - or for any ensuing confusion.

As a postscript "Circles" is still commercially available - for those who may be interested.

EDIT: YV has contributed later in this thread.

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=17764

This site is certainly worth a visit, and also, I am now allowed to say that the track IS available in the hub.



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Posted: 20 Oct 04, 13:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

[quote]
Trident One-sided 10" acetates:
Hangman
Rock 'n roll (Jailhouse Rock)
Jesus
Keep Yourself Alive[/quote]

Does this mean that a studio-version of Hangman exists?

* drool *

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Posted: 20 Oct 04, 13:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Stuart, interesting list again...
What about an mp3 of something really rare you got please? I'm sure that sample of joy would get everybody crazy

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Posted: 20 Oct 04, 14:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Additional Thanks/contributions: I have edited the above accordingly to include this new information, so thanks for the help there. Rather than create a new seperate thread for each acknowledgement - I will highlight my "thanks" in here... and edit in here when needed. (So watch this space).

Queen: Unreleased De Lane Lea Demo Tape, October 1971 – February 1972
(Edit: Lester Burnham... five demos at De Lane Lea Studios were recorded on September 18, 1971 - Good shout Lester - but personally I think this would have taken longer considering that Queen were only allowed to use "downtime" - however the fact that it was recorded ABOUT this time is a great help).

Any other thoughts about this one?


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Posted: 20 Oct 04, 14:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Pim Derks:

Trident One-sided 10" acetates:
Hangman
Rock 'n roll (Jailhouse Rock)
Jesus
Keep Yourself Alive

Does this mean that a studio-version of Hangman exists?

Yes it does - but a copy has NOT been "found" by Greg or QP. These acetates were sold on the open market about 20 years ago.

I think I need to explain here a little about acatete pressings. simply, acetates are "works of reference" recorded on disc, of a night's session in the studio. These tracks may (or may not be) recorded on master tape (EG Many Beatles acetates DO not exist as master recordings - and there is a great Beatles bootleg called - surprisingly enough - "Unreleased Acetates"!).

These discs (depending on how many are cut) are usually retained by the band - or their producers/engineers etc.

I have no idea of how many "Hangman" acetates were cut, but there is a world of difference between "can't be found - and - does not exist".

Remember, I am writing what "I" KNOW about. The exciting thing for me is to find out about what I do NOT know about!



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Posted: 20 Oct 04, 14:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I can't be sure, but what do you think of Mad The Swine from the In Nuce cd? Excluding the reverse stereo of the Nuce track - surely there are differences between this mix and the official release. Ideas?

Peace,
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Posted: 20 Oct 04, 14:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John S Stuart wrote:

Queen: Unreleased De Lane Lea Demo Tape, October 1971 – February 1972
(Edit: Lester Burnham... five demos at De Lane Lea Studios were recorded on September 18, 1971 - Good shout Lester - but personally I think this would have taken longer considering that Queen were only allowed to use "downtime" - however the fact that it was recorded ABOUT this time is a great help).

Any other thoughts about this one?


Agreed, as the band were notorious for being perfectionists, so it's highly unlikely that it took them only one day to get five songs done - look how long it took them to get their first album out! So, sessions probably STARTED on this day, but probably extended into October.