Forums > Queen - Serious Discussion > 1974 - Ultimate collection (Part One): Queen II

forum rss feed
Author

John S Stuart user is on Queenzone.com
John S Stuart
Deity: 4178 posts
add to buddy list send PM

Posted: 24 Oct 04, 21:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

As before. Please feel free to contribute. Very little remains from "Queen II". Followed so quickly behind the heels of the debut album "Queen", that the two sessions were almost cut back to back. For this reason their is a distinct lack of out-takes or alternative material. So much so Brian May had to recycle
an old 1968 home demo of "White Queen", (a song about a blind girl Brian had met). It was always Freddie's intention to end "Queen" and begin "Queen II" with "Seven Seas Of Rhye, but this time, he "lost the vote". Album was divided into two sides Side White and Side Black (representing the duality and co-existence between good and evil). Brian & Roger shared the credits for wiriting side white, While Freddie Mercury was sole responsibility for writing side black.

The song 'The Fairy Fellers Master Stroke' is based on a painting by Richard Dadd which is in the Tate Gallery in London.

1974

Queen II

Line-up: Freddie Mercury (Vocals), Brian May (guitar), Roger Taylor (drums), John Deacon (bass).

Recorded Trident Studios August 1973. Released UK 8th March 1974, US 9th April 1974.
Produced by Roy Thomas Baker & Queen: except Nevermore, produced by Robin Geoffrey Cable & Queen. March Of The Black Queen produced by Roy Thomas Baker, Robin Geoffrey Cable & Queen. Engineered by Mike Stone.

Procession
Album Version 1:17 Queen II: EMI CDP 7 46205 2
1998 eYe Stereo 1:12 Remix Electronic Arts DDE05501 101S

Father To Son
Album Version Queen II: EMI CDP 7 46205 2
Exposed Hybrid 5:49 Ending Exposed MC C-EXP 0491
Starlicks Video Edit Starlicks Video

White Queen
Album Version Queen II: EMI CDP 7 46205 2
7" Single 3" CDS EMI QUE CD5 (First EP)
BBC 03.04.1974 (4:41) Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc
Brian May 1968 Smile/home demo Unreleased

Someday, One day
Album Version Queen II: EMI CDP 7 46205 2

Loser In The End
Album Version Queen II: EMI CDP 7 46205 2
Lammey Mama’s Boy 4:09 Mix ISDN: Download

Ogre Battle
Album Version Queen II: EMI CDP 7 46205 2
BBC 03.12.1973 (4:01) Queen At The Beeb: BOJCD 001
BBC 03.12.1973 Long Lost Intro Ultimate Collection: Royalty Music RMCD 001
BBC 03.12.1973 Restored Hybrid (5:12) Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc
1991 Nicholas Sansano 3:30 Remix Queen II: US 1991 Hollywood HR-61232-2
Intro Edit: 35” Total Guitar CD Magazine

Fairy Feller's Master Stroke
Album Version Queen II: EMI CDP 7 46205 2

Nevermore
Album Version Queen II: EMI CDP 7 46205 2
BBC 03.04.1974 (1:28) Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc
Electric Piano Version Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc

March Of The Black Queen
Album Version Queen II: EMI CDP 7 46205 2
BBC 03.04.1974 (6:25): (Queen II Album version)
Starlicks Video Edit Starlicks Video
Lammy Reign & Rule 7:21 Remix ISDN: Download
Exposed Fake Mono Demo Exposed MC

Funny How Love Is
Album Version Queen II: EMI CDP 7 46205 2
Japan 3” CDs (2:53) Japan 3" CDS EMI TODP 2251
Original (1st Press) Cassette Tape Mix Queen II: TC M-M EMI TC EMA 767

Seven Seas Of Rhye
Album Version Queen II: EMI CDP 7 46205 2
1991 Freddie Bastone 6:43 Remix Queen II: US 1991 Hollywood HR-61232-2
Price 3:21 Remix ISDN: Download
Withdrawn Test Press Unreleased: As It Began p75
Top Of The Pops BBC TV Original Erased: (Rein's version?)
US Hollywood Promotional Video Unreleased: Home Video
Top Of The Pops BBC TV Video Unreleased: Home Video

See What A Fool I've Been
See What A Fool I’ve Been Smile: Royal Albert Hall 27th February 1969
BBC 25.07.1973 (4:18) Freddie's Boys At The Beeb: Bulsara Records
Album Version 4:36 Queen II: US 1991 Hollywood HR-61232-2

I Do Like To Be Beside The Seaside
Acapella Version Unreleased:

Queen: Unreleased BBC Radio Session, 3rd April 1974
Recorded 03.04.1974. Broadcast 15.04.1974.


"Listen to them. Children of the night. What music they make."
Adam Unger (QueenVault.com) user not visiting Queenzone.com
Adam Unger (QueenVault.com)
Bohemian: 347 posts
add to buddy list send PM

Posted: 24 Oct 04, 23:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You listed the following for Funny How Love Is:
- Album Version Queen II: EMI CDP 7 46205 2
- Japan 3” CDs (2:53) Japan 3" CDS EMI TODP 2251
- Original (1st Press) Cassette Tape Mix Queen II: TC M-M EMI TC EMA 767

There are a few more versions including:
UK 3” CD Single Version 3:15
Digital Master Sampler Edit 2:51



QueenVault.com

Updated October 2, 2016
Rien user not visiting Queenzone.com

Deity: 2204 posts
add to buddy list send PM

Posted: 25 Oct 04, 02:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

And on this site: http://www.mercuryparadise.com under Back Chat you will find the picture of the FFMS painting also, on which I have put the names on the figures.


Feel free to visit my site - http://www.mercuryparadise.com

(Come into my life, it's a MercuryParadise)
FriedChicken user not visiting Queenzone.com

Deity: 10641 posts
add to buddy list send PM

Posted: 25 Oct 04, 04:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"There are a few more versions including:"

I'm sure there's more. Isn't John just listing his personal collection?


"On the first day Pim & Niek created a heavenly occupation. Pim & Niek blessed it and named it 'Loosch'."



(Genesis 1:1)
Sebastian user not visiting Queenzone.com
Sebastian
Deity: 6327 posts
add to buddy list send PM

Posted: 25 Oct 04, 05:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It isn`t so much that Freddie "lost the vote". The idea changed because, by one side, Seven Seas ended up being different to what they expected, it become a stronger track, better for closing the album (and releasing it as single).

The idea of black & white sides came after Fred wrote The March Of the Black Queen.


John hated HS. Fred's fave singer was not PR. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Scotland's not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.
John S Stuart user is on Queenzone.com
John S Stuart
Deity: 4178 posts
add to buddy list send PM

Posted: 25 Oct 04, 11:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Adam Unger (Queen Webworks):

You listed the following for Funny How Love Is:
- Album Version Queen II: EMI CDP 7 46205 2
- Japan 3” CDs (2:53) Japan 3" CDS EMI TODP 2251
- Original (1st Press) Cassette Tape Mix Queen II: TC M-M EMI TC EMA 767

There are a few more versions including:
UK 3” CD Single Version 3:15
Digital Master Sampler Edit 2:51

Yes, you are correct (and please feel free to answer guys) but I did not know where to draw the line.

I have focused on the music. I have not included Japanese 7" pic sleeves etc because the track is the same everytime. (So yes, it is based on my own collection). I think this is a fair enough stance to take.

But this is where I was stumped. Should I include ALL remastering edits and errors? EG: "Funny How Love Is" - UK 3” CD Single Version 3:15 & Digital Master Sampler Edit 2:51. Essentially - if you have the album, you have these versions (so I decided not to include them on my list), however, Adam has decided to include them on his.

I don't see this as a case of "right" or "wrong" - I just wondered how you guys prefered your information?

(Obviously I would include the French 7" Bo Rhap edit as it IS radically different - but what about these other cases?).




"Listen to them. Children of the night. What music they make."
Benn user not visiting Queenzone.com

Royalty: 1332 posts
add to buddy list send PM

Posted: 25 Oct 04, 11:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John, re:

>(Obviously I would include the French 7" Bo >Rhap edit as it IS radically different - but >what about these other cases?).

I'd prefer to see variations added ONLY if the mastering / mixing of a track is radically different (ie change in feel / tempo) or if a track has been edited.

Other than that, I think you're doing a stunning job here.


Benn
Maz user not visiting Queenzone.com

Deity: 5799 posts
add to buddy list send PM

Posted: 25 Oct 04, 12:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John S Stuart wrote:


But this is where I was stumped. Should I include ALL remastering edits and errors? EG: "Funny How Love Is" - UK 3” CD Single Version 3:15 & Digital Master Sampler Edit 2:51. Essentially if you have the album, you have these versions (so I decided not to include them on my list), however, Adam has decided to include them on his.

I don't see this as a case of "right" or "wrong" - I just wondered how you guys prefered your information)


It's a matter of giving the most complete information. If the idea is to provide the most complete source available on Queen tracks, then I think they should be included for reference purposes. Of course, it's up to the listener to decide if they want to track them down or not.

My two cents


DJ's the man we love the most
John S Stuart user is on Queenzone.com
John S Stuart
Deity: 4178 posts
add to buddy list send PM

Posted: 25 Oct 04, 12:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

LOL: Ben v. Zeni both have great points to make, so I thought I would steer a middle line and satisfied neither.

So, do you want to fight for it - or shall we flip a coin?

Seriously though - both excellent points - leaving me with a dilema. Any other thoughts on Queen II?


"Listen to them. Children of the night. What music they make."
Ron user not visiting Queenzone.com

Royalty: 1031 posts
add to buddy list send PM

Posted: 25 Oct 04, 13:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

what about my Uncovered Mix project? :)

besides that, I always wondered this... I heard (perhaps from you) that FHLI was a stand alone version on the first press cassettes and some acetates. This however means that MOTBQ must also be a stand alone version. So was FHLI indeed a stand alone version or just a diff mix?

you might also add the edited Ogre Battle bbc version which is on a Trident 7" acetate (runs 3:04min). It's not edited in a way as on At The Beeb!


QueenPictureHall.com is back at qph.runoutgrooves.com
John S Stuart user is on Queenzone.com
John S Stuart
Deity: 4178 posts
add to buddy list send PM

Posted: 25 Oct 04, 14:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

RonB: FHLI was a stand alone version on the first press cassettes and some acetates. This however means that MOTBQ must also be a stand alone version. So was FHLI indeed a stand alone version or just a diff mix?

Funny Ron, but I never really thought about that before, but you are indeed correct, if one is stand alone, by definition, so must the other.

DOH!

what about my Uncovered Mix project? :)
Nothing personal - but I don't think I have ever heard that one.

Ron, I keep getting asked to answer/explain "what is an acetate?" Some people think acetate means "flimsy plastic" (which I suppose it does) - they have this idea of those free 45 rpm 7" singles which "Readers Digest" or teenage magazines used to give away free. Could you start an acetate thread to explain this for me please?




"Listen to them. Children of the night. What music they make."
Benn user not visiting Queenzone.com

Royalty: 1332 posts
add to buddy list send PM

Posted: 25 Oct 04, 17:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

john re:

>So, do you want to fight for it - or shall we >flip a coin?

No - I'm right......

:-)

I certainly don't see the need to have any fan or other people's re-mixes of Queen tracks - it ought really to be kept to just having "official" versions of Queen songs that are unique to a particular release.

Hell, that might even satisfy everyone.....?


Benn
Adam Unger (QueenVault.com) user not visiting Queenzone.com
Adam Unger (QueenVault.com)
Bohemian: 347 posts
add to buddy list send PM

Posted: 25 Oct 04, 20:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I consider edits or remixes as specific song versions. Pretty much anything that is a stand alone version or is edited differently than the album track i consider to be unique. I am pretty obsessive when it comes to song versions however.


QueenVault.com

Updated October 2, 2016
Adam Unger (QueenVault.com) user not visiting Queenzone.com
Adam Unger (QueenVault.com)
Bohemian: 347 posts
add to buddy list send PM

Posted: 25 Oct 04, 20:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Also, this is your list, not mine.. feel free to put whatever you wish :) I would be more interested however in as complete a list from you as possible.


QueenVault.com

Updated October 2, 2016
iGSM user not visiting Queenzone.com

Deity: 5001 posts
add to buddy list send PM

Posted: 25 Oct 04, 20:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Tee-hee...John called Brian, Frian...I'm sorry. Great info. I wish I knew this much about anything...even the cover of Bohemian Rhapsody.


...this kettle is boiling over...

...one dump...one turd...two tits...John Deacon...

...one prawn...one shrimp...one clam...one chicken!
Wilki Amieva user not visiting Queenzone.com
We must all HEAR to believe
Wilki Amieva
Royalty: 1421 posts
add to buddy list send PM

Posted: 25 Oct 04, 21:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Adam, I am a 'versionist' myself and I coincide with your understanding of version lists.

As for adding something interesting (?) to this particular list: Have you noticed at the very end of the suposedly fifth (? - the one that starts with Freddie asking for the song) take of Silver Salmon that there is a little bit of a Liar-reminiscent percussion (could it be Liar itself) and then the piano intro of Seven Seas Of Rhye could be heard for a second or two? I know I should include this info in the QUEEN thread, but the tempo of the version is like the one on QUEEN II (or faster).

The Real Wizard user not visiting Queenzone.com
The Real Wizard
Deity: 18638 posts
add to buddy list send PM

Posted: 26 Oct 04, 00:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John S Stuart wrote:

I Do Like To Be Beside The Seaside
Acapella Version Unreleased:


Now this sounds cool. How long does it run for?


"The more generous you are with your music, the more it comes back to you." -- Dan Lampinski



http://www.queenlive.ca
Wilki Amieva user not visiting Queenzone.com
We must all HEAR to believe
Wilki Amieva
Royalty: 1421 posts
add to buddy list send PM

Posted: 26 Oct 04, 10:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well, I found something more: the early version of Procession as can be heard at the Golder's Green Hippodrome on 1973-09-13.

Wilki Amieva user not visiting Queenzone.com
We must all HEAR to believe
Wilki Amieva
Royalty: 1421 posts
add to buddy list send PM

Posted: 26 Oct 04, 20:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I will link it soon.

Penetration_Guru user not visiting Queenzone.com
Penetration_Guru
Deity: 11013 posts
add to buddy list send PM

Posted: 27 Oct 04, 04:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

As another "versionist", my view is that

1. Anything not generated by the band should not be included (fan mixes, no matter how good, will only serve to confuse)

2. Deliberate variations (stand alone edits) should be separated from accidental ones (mastering errors etc), but both should be included.

3. Brian adding random guitar to radio played tracks should not be included, but should perhaps be listed as "live" performances.