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Posted: 28 Oct 04, 01:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color="whitesmoke">bambam</font> wrote:

This is what I do after downloading the concerts:
1. Convert the FLACs to mp3s to be able to open it
2. Use musicmatch to burn them to the CD
3. When burning to CD, the files are Audio files, not Mp3 files.

So, if the files on the CD aren't mp3s, is there any loss at all?


Yes. By converting them to mp3, you lose data. MusicMatch is just converting the files back into wav when it burns the disc, but it can never add the missing data back into the file..

It's really simple using Flac Frontend to convert the flac files to Wav. Then burn the wav files (also simple) and you've got a lossless CD. Inserting mp3 anywhere into that process creats a lossy disc.


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Posted: 28 Oct 04, 02:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Let me preface by saying that users like PMA can provide a more technical answer.

]What exactly is loss? Quality loss? How do you specifically define it?


A wav file, like you might rip directly from a CD, is generally around 10MB per minute. When you use a lossless format like Flac, you squeeze the file down to around 70% its actual size, but you don't lose any info. Thus, converting it back to Wav keeps everything together. Mp3, on the other hand, chucks info when it compresses the file, primarily the higher frequencies.

Now, about quality: If you listen to a mp3-turned-Wav on headsets or on your computer, you may not notice much difference. But whenever I play them on a stereo, they sound very distant and hollow. If you compare a normal wav with one created from mp3, I'm sure you'll notice a difference as well. (I say this with a degree of experience. When I first found Queen boots on the old QZ mp3 section years ago, I turned them into WAV cds, too. Then I figured out the difference and realized how many discs I wasted.)

Imagine someone getting an mp3, turing it into wav, sharing it with others, and then someone else repeating that process, and you get an idea of how quickly the quality of recordings can go downhill.


Also, what program do you recommend? Can i download a codec for that?


If you mean for converting Flac to Wav, I suggest Flac Frontend
http://wiki.etree.org/index.php?page=FlacFrontend

That will explain how to use it. Like I mentioned, it's real easy to use and makes perfect lossless copies. The only thing some people new to all this might want to consider is the hard drive space they will need. If you have a 600MB Flac torrent, you'll need another 900MB to creat the wav files. Just FYI.




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Posted: 28 Oct 04, 02:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yes.

Flac --> Wav --> CD
Works fine.

Just decode the Flac into Wav, then burn the Wav files directly to a CD. It's that simple.

Mp3 gives convenience, but not quality.




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Posted: 28 Oct 04, 13:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

or you can burn it directly from flac to cd


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Posted: 28 Oct 04, 14:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

If your software will do that. Mine doesn't, for instance.


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Posted: 08 Nov 04, 07:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

If you don't want to LOSE quality , NEVER , EVER burn MP3's , waste of time and will give you a head ache , hehe


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Posted: 08 Nov 04, 09:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Zeni, you put it at the point.

Question:
Why does flac, played directly via MusicMatch-plugin, sound so bad? After conveting to wav its ok, more Bass, not so hissy.
Can it be, that the flac files shouldn´t be played directly, without conversion?

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Posted: 08 Nov 04, 10:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It may be, I don't know. I never listen to flac files until I convert them to wav. I'll have to test them and see if I hear a difference.


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Posted: 25 Nov 04, 20:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

or you could just get the flac plug-in for nero from here & just burn.It converts to wav while burning.
These plugins are not by nero but they all work & are FREE.
Just follow the instructions at the bottom of the link page for installation details.Heres the link
http://neroplugins.cd-rw.org/