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Posted: 16 Nov 04, 18:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I can understand him not wanting to perform live or record again as part of Queen but surely it wouldn't hurt him to attend and accept an award with Brian and Roger thanking fans for their votes (ie last weekends Hall Of Fame Event).

I don't get it ? I know the guy is a very private person but if I was Brian and Roger I would see it as a snub to them and the fans of Queen.

Does anybody know whether Brian and Roger are unhappy with the lack of involvement from John ?


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Posted: 16 Nov 04, 18:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John has a terrible form of Acné.


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Posted: 17 Nov 04, 05:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Did anyone notice that apart from not acknowledging John, Roger and Brian didn't even mention Freddie?


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Posted: 17 Nov 04, 09:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John has bene the only member of the band to truly respect Freddie's memory IMO. His decision to NOT continue with Queen shows just how much he truly believed Queen to be a sum of the 4 parts.

Cleary, Brian and Roger have their own agendas - they both live extremely lavish lifestyles and have a number of children / ex-wives to pay for. They need to continue making themselves money to fun that and their only vehicle for it is under the Queen banner.

John lives within his means and doesn't need to do any more than accept the royalty cheques that appears from EMI.

Good on him I say.


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Posted: 17 Nov 04, 11:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What the hell is up with this 'curse' crap? We all know that John Deacon has decided not to take part in any of Queen's actions, decisions, and future ideas simply because he is not interested. He has a life outside of Queen, you know! He has a big family, many kids to take care of, and a wife he's been married to for almost as long as Queen has been around. Brian and Roger still respect John and they're still friends with him. They're not gonna hate him because he doesn't want any part of Queen (though he will happily accept the money he gets for royalties, good business lol)

As for the Brian May 'curse', it's superstition. I don't know who comes up with this (pardon my language) bullshit, because, simply put, it's sad and pathetic that someone would make this up. Brian May has no curse, he never had a curse, and he never will have a curse.


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Posted: 17 Nov 04, 12:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Benn wrote:

John has bene the only member of the band to truly respect Freddie's memory IMO. His decision to NOT continue with Queen shows just how much he truly believed Queen to be a sum of the 4 parts.

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Good on him I say.


Hmmm, you're putting too much meaning in his decision not to appear in public, I suppose.

Besides, if he were so busy respecting Freddie, he would logically have made a statement once (?)

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Posted: 17 Nov 04, 12:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Friends? How are they friends? Theyre not in direct contact anymore. John has done the right thing.
Brian & Roger are raping the name Queen. They are NOT Queen - never can be. Queen is their little business adventure now. More money as they can't make millions with solo albums. Sad.
I was surprised when they took the award and Brian announced that "we" are going to play, as if THEY are Queen! Most people who voted for Queen, voted for Freddie Mercury, not the guitarist and drummer. No ones being fooled - theyll find this out soon enough. Maybe they should fuck off back to their stupid musical.

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Posted: 17 Nov 04, 12:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

But, *surely*, John's respect of Freddie is best illustrated by not having said anything about it all since he died.

Put it this way, if a very close friend of *yours* died in those kind of circumstances (bearing mind that the press have been / were standing on freddie's doorstep, waiting for any kind of tit-bit of information to print and then turn around to their advantage), would you make a public statement?

I know I wouldn't.

John's memories and thoughts on Freddie are his and his alone - why should he let us all know what he's thinking and why; it's none of our business.....


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Posted: 17 Nov 04, 12:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Benn wrote:

But, *surely*, John's respect of Freddie is best illustrated by not having said anything about it all since he died.

Put it this way, if a very close friend of *yours* died in those kind of circumstances (bearing mind that the press have been / were standing on freddie's doorstep, waiting for any kind of tit-bit of information to print and then turn around to their advantage), would you make a public statement?

I know I wouldn't.

John's memories and thoughts on Freddie are his and his alone - why should he let us all know what he's thinking and why; it's none of our business.....


then why are you interpreting his silence?

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Posted: 17 Nov 04, 12:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

how is "opting out" respecting Freddie's Memory any more than trying to keep the meory alive

surely any commercial moves Brian/Roger make - ill-conceived or otherwise, are at least keeping freddie's legend going

John clearly isn't doing that - for whatever reason(s)


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Posted: 17 Nov 04, 13:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Do you actually think Freddie expected the band to continue without him? I seriously doubt it - John obviously didn't expect them to either... out of fuckin respect. To the general public, Freddie WAS Queen. He left those vocal takes to allow them to release one more album. If he knew they were doing to cheapen the Queen "brand" by working with any old singer I doubt he would have bothered.

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Posted: 17 Nov 04, 13:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

queen4ever said: Well, we or "you" don't know what John is going through. He has his reasons for not joining B and R. You don't know why he doesnt want to go to the awards. but don't assume he's a snob or he doesn't care about his fans.
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where id i say that? in fatc i said the exact opposite - surely me saying he chooses not to "for whatver reason(s) - says exactly that he has reasons and WE can never really guess what they are.
my point is that Brian/Roger are keeping queen alive - they make some mistakes WWRY, but generally they are trying to keep it alive

john hasn't got involved - he has his reasons, we don't know them - that's all there is to it


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Posted: 17 Nov 04, 13:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well done "Negative Creep" for at least being honest, you're not alone in your reasoning!! There seems to be 2 distinct types of Queen fan now, those who remember & support the 4 piece group and those who support the Queen+ May & Taylor bastardised version minus John. Fairplay to John for not particiating in the "Hall of Fame" and staying true to the original group legend. May & Taylor have been hinting for donkeys that they have this "holy grail" of a letter from John stating that they can do what they want with the Queen name. Why has this never been published in the Fan Club magazine, is there too much truth in there?? Does John think that everything post '95 is bollocks? Queen (Queen+) seems to be no longer a band but a clever marketing machine churning out the franchise (the musical) around the world. It seems that the wonderful legacy of Freddie is being reduced to tacky merchandice in a theatre "..near you" and that a generation of kids will grow up thinking they (Queen) only had 2 songs, wwry & watc.
LONG LIVE FREDDIE!!!!!!!!!

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Posted: 17 Nov 04, 16:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Well done "Negative Creep" for at least being honest, you're not alone in your reasoning!! There seems to be 2 distinct types of Queen fan now, those who remember & support the 4 piece group and those who support the Queen+ May & Taylor bastardised version minus John. Fairplay to John for not particiating in the "Hall of Fame" and staying true to the original group legend. May & Taylor have been hinting for donkeys that they have this "holy grail" of a letter from John stating that they can do what they want with the Queen name. Why has this never been published in the Fan Club magazine, is there too much truth in there?? Does John think that everything post '95 is bollocks? Queen (Queen+) seems to be no longer a band but a clever marketing machine churning out the franchise (the musical) around the world. It seems that the wonderful legacy of Freddie is being reduced to tacky merchandice in a theatre "..near you" and that a generation of kids will grow up thinking they (Queen) only had 2 songs, wwry & watc.
LONG LIVE FREDDIE!!!!!!!!!


1. Negative Creep: as far as I know, we don't know Freddie's plans for the band after his death, so don't use speculations.

2. we don't know how John feels about the 'new Queen'. It might be uncertain whether he agrees, but it is just as uncertain that he disagrees. So again, don't use speculations.

3. stop seeing this as a black-or-white discussion. I don't especially like the new Queen, but I don't see any problem in them going on with the band/brand, which is not the same as supporting them.

Stop seeing John Deacon as a martyr for everything that is 'the true Queen', because there is no proof whatsoever for this.

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Posted: 17 Nov 04, 17:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well, I usually stay out of these kind of debates because they happen all the time and I dont thing the 2 sides will ever agree. But because I'm completely bored at work I though I would give my 2 cents worth.

All this debate about tarnishing the name of Queen... what a load of bollocks. Queen have 30 years of material to back up what a great band they are. Roger and John performing under the name Queen is not going to change that. The Queen name just gives them far greater exposure.

Its also ridiculous to suggest that they are doing it for the money. Brian and Roger regularly feature in the list of the highest paid entertainers in the UK even though they are members of a largely defunct band. It is obvious it is the music, not money, that they love. Brian is particular just seems to love playing guitar. Why do you think the list of artists he as collaborated with is pages long?

I'm sure that should they decide to record a new album or tour under the name Queen they will be universally panned by critics (as they always are!!!) for exactly the reasons that people on this board are giving: 2 Old Farts cashing in on the Queen name. Do I care? NO!

Roger and Brian are two fantastically talented songwriters. They also seem to write their best music when together as a band. I only became a fan after Freddie died and I would definately love to hear new music from these guys. I would also love to see Queen go out on tour again.

I actually was in the crowd at 46664 and I can tell you that a crowd of 60 000 people (not Queen fans) absolutely loved the show that Brian and Roger put on. People out there still love Queens music and would rather hear is being sung by other people (i.e. not Freddie) then not at all.

I have also heard the Paul Rogers tracks from the UK Hall of Fame and I really think that he has a great voice. No, he doesnt sound like Freddie but do we want somebody up their performing as though he was in a tribute band?!? I think its far better for whoever sings for Queen to give each song a unique twist. I certainly hope its not the last we see of this collaboration.

At the end of the day the Queen name is Brian and Rogers to do with as they like. If you dont like it dont buy it. You can pretend that Queen died along with Freddie in 1991. I on the other hand hope that for he next 10 years Queen will go on to produce more great music.

P.S. As far as Roger and Brian not thanking Freddie, I'm sure that was not a deliberate snub. Neither Roger or Brian would deny that Freddie was huge part of Queen. I just dont think they took the award too seriously. When it was the US Hall Of Fame they thanked Freddie and accepted the award with Jer Bulsara.

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Posted: 19 Nov 04, 11:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Negative Creep wrote:

Friends? How are they friends? Theyre not in direct contact anymore. John has done the right thing.
Brian & Roger are raping the name Queen. They are NOT Queen - never can be. Queen is their little business adventure now. More money as they can't make millions with solo albums. Sad.
I was surprised when they took the award and Brian announced that "we" are going to play, as if THEY are Queen! Most people who voted for Queen, voted for Freddie Mercury, not the guitarist and drummer. No ones being fooled - theyll find this out soon enough. Maybe they should fuck off back to their stupid musical.



i agree

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Posted: 19 Nov 04, 11:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Well done "Negative Creep" for at least being honest, you're not alone in your reasoning!! There seems to be 2 distinct types of Queen fan now, those who remember & support the 4 piece group and those who support the Queen+ May & Taylor bastardised version minus John. Fairplay to John for not particiating in the "Hall of Fame" and staying true to the original group legend. May & Taylor have been hinting for donkeys that they have this "holy grail" of a letter from John stating that they can do what they want with the Queen name. Why has this never been published in the Fan Club magazine, is there too much truth in there?? Does John think that everything post '95 is bollocks? Queen (Queen+) seems to be no longer a band but a clever marketing machine churning out the franchise (the musical) around the world. It seems that the wonderful legacy of Freddie is being reduced to tacky merchandice in a theatre "..near you" and that a generation of kids will grow up thinking they (Queen) only had 2 songs, wwry & watc.
LONG LIVE FREDDIE!!!!!!!!!



i agree with u too

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Posted: 19 Nov 04, 11:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Simply put, John is retired. Now, When I think of retirement, I think of people not working their chosen job anymore. Making music, touring, interviewing, and even accepting awards were all parts of his job. Expecting John to appear at an award ceremony is like expecting ol' retired Joe Blow construction worker to be back at the job on Monday morning.


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Posted: 19 Nov 04, 16:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

He's.
Retired.

Once a person retires from anything, they no longer have an obligation to appear at functions of that particular thing. Besides, people who come out of retirement have a long and glaring history of being complete wonks.


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Posted: 19 Nov 04, 20:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John Deacon is out of the show.

Brian & Roger pretend to be QUEEN; of course they aren´t.

Queen (like it or not) was -mostly- FREDDIE.

A little disorder without the Mr. Bad Guy.

I´m sad they didn´t mentioned FRED (Hall Fame).

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