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Posted: 20 Nov 04, 18:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Does anybody know any obvious reasons why during 'Hot Space Tour' Morgan Fisher was replaced by Fred Mandel and later for 'The Works Tour' Mr Mandel was replaced by Spike Edney, though Fred helped Queen with the recording of the album?

P.S. For newbies and QZers who haven't hear about those guys: Fisher, Mandel and Edney were additional keyboard players (Spike played guitar on 'Hammer To Fall' as well) during Queen's 1982-1986 concerts and helped Queen in the studio for some tracks.

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Posted: 20 Nov 04, 23:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Morgan had fear of planes, so they had to replace him unless he was willing to swim all the way to USA :)

Fred Mandel quit right after finishing recording The Works because he was hired by Elton John. Still he played piano, synth and guitar in the Mr. Bad Guy album, which was still on working process, so that shows his friendship with Freddie (at least) hadn`t been affected.

Spike never quit because he got along well with the guys, even though imo the other two were better keyboard players than him. But to play one chord per bar in Ga Ga you don`t need a virtuoso


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Posted: 21 Nov 04, 06:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Spike never quit because he got along well with the guys, even though imo the other two were better keyboard players than him. But to play one chord per bar in Ga Ga you don`t need a virtuoso


I'm agree. Enspecially Fred was a very good pianist (listen to Living on my own or Crazy little live in Japan 82, I think the best version I've ever heard). Spike was a keybord-man, not a piano-player.




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Posted: 21 Nov 04, 12:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

spike played even on a kind of magic(the song) in budapest(in john solo you can also hear a piano)?
i hear a piano but nobody is playing so i believe it's spike who is playing somewhere

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Posted: 21 Nov 04, 13:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Hardly a discovery. The same applies to many other songs from that tour.


who plays?spike or a computer?

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Posted: 22 Nov 04, 03:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Fred Mandel had apparently fear of foreign countries, in Japan he stayed in his hotel room 99% of time (except for the concerts, of course).

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Posted: 22 Nov 04, 07:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Morgan fears of planes, Fred of foreign countries - what a great band could be if'd put them altogether (with Spike... I don't know what he afraids of) :)

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Posted: 22 Nov 04, 07:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Philipp Nothaft wrote:

Spike, of course. There's keyboards in nearly every song.



and why in some songs he is on stage and some others he'is off stage playing?

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Posted: 22 Nov 04, 08:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

He was on stage during 'Tutti Frutti', 'Crazy Little Thing Called Love' and for play guitar on 'Hammer To Fall', for the rest of the songs he wasn't, but he played keyboards and didn't have to be on stage for it.

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Posted: 22 Nov 04, 09:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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He was on stage during 'Tutti Frutti', 'Crazy Little Thing Called Love' and for play guitar on 'Hammer To Fall', for the rest of the songs he wasn't, but he played keyboards and didn't have to be on stage for it.



the question is:why in some songs is on stage and in some others is off stage?
queen didn' t want the others to see that they a fifth member to play live?

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Posted: 22 Nov 04, 09:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't know where this story about Morgan Fisher being "afraid of planes" comes from but it looks like an urban myth, really.

He already had a band with Tim Staffel and then played for Mott The Hoople - that's where the Queen connection comes from.

Parts of his biography (official website):

1981-84: Played keyboards on Queen’s 1982 tour of Europe, then travelled in India, Europe and USA.

1985-88: Moved to Japan and built The Handmade Studio. Recorded ambient albums (“Look at Life”, “Inside Satie”, “Water Music”, “Flow Overflow”, “Life Under The Floor”, “Peace in the Heart of the City”) and music for art videos, films and television.


A lot of travelling for someone with a fear of flying.


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Posted: 22 Nov 04, 10:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Maybe he got over his fear by travelling to India :) Yes, good point, it can be an urban legend like Paul`s death, although not such a controversial one.


John hated HS. Fred's fave singer was not PR. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Scotland's not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.
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Posted: 22 Nov 04, 14:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Look at the picture displayed on the QZ main page at the momennt - Freddie seemed to like it :) - but then he was a "faggot" himself, right?


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Posted: 22 Nov 04, 16:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

gabriel79 wrote:

Serry Funster wrote:

He was on stage during 'Tutti Frutti', 'Crazy Little Thing Called Love' and for play guitar on 'Hammer To Fall', for the rest of the songs he wasn't, but he played keyboards and didn't have to be on stage for it.



the question is:why in some songs is on stage and in some others is off stage?
queen didn' t want the others to see that they a fifth member to play live?


'On stage' - I mean that he could be seen on the video. He was on stage for whole show, watch carefully for Magic Tour videos and you'd see him.

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Posted: 23 Nov 04, 00:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What about Mike Moran?never happened on Queen's history? As a matter of fact he shadowed Spike on late 80's early 90's, playing on Queen and Solo albums, on Freddie's tribute and even replecing Spike on The Cross!

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Posted: 23 Nov 04, 09:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

On Tritbute he played on just one song (Somebody To Love) as I remember, and Spike played on that show too, but for most of the songs. In my opinion, Mike was more than just a session-musician and he didn't work with Queen so much as Spike did. He composed songs for 'Barcelona', he's a great arranger - Spike's job was a little bit different.

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Posted: 23 Nov 04, 09:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yes Queen music is not for piano virtuosos. It`d be like hiring Yo-Yo-Ma. A great musician, but there`s no sace for his instrument in a Queen song. Or maybe some very simple stuff, that would make him waste his talent. Although imo they`re wasting Jamie Moses. He had a great time in Brian`s solo tours - he got to sing amazing harmonies, play the solo of Let Your Heart Rule Your Head, do a duel with Brian in Resurrection, play the great acoustic solo of Another World, and join Brian for some two-part lead stuff (e.g. Back To The Light). In those "Queen" concerts of last years all he does is one-chord-per-bar in Ga Ga and imitate the bass-line in Tie Your Mother Down. Such a talented person, what a waste.


John hated HS. Fred's fave singer was not PR. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Scotland's not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.
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Posted: 23 Nov 04, 11:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Spike get's a mention in the Live At Wembley DVD booklet (Adition Guitars, Keyboards & Vocals:Spike Edney(He's the one doing the mistimed "It's A Kind Of Magic"'s)) Brian Intrudeces him at the FM tribute & doesn't Mike Moran. He was Fred's manager: not Queen's.


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Posted: 24 Nov 04, 03:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yes I agree that rhythm guitar isn`t the "scale down from lead guitar" as many people think. I should have added that, for instance, Jamie played very interesting rhythm stuff too, it wasn`t only his leads in China Belle and others: in Tear It Up he got to play the guitar alone most of time, in Fat Bots he was the only one playing during second verse, etc. The interactivity between the two guitar players was great. They were both lead and they were both rhythm.

The way you put it makes a lot of sense: to enjoy a good car you don`t need to always be in fifth gear. But, you can`t enjoy it either if you just use the first. For that matter you can buy a bicycle.


John hated HS. Fred's fave singer was not PR. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Scotland's not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.