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Posted: 06 Jan 05, 10:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

>hardly think they need any more money, they >already rake in millions every year anyway

You have no idea - the fact that they "rake in" millions means that they have to forefit a large percentage of that in tax to HM Treaury - the fact that that Brian, Roger and John all choose to sent the bulk of their time in the UK means that they are not exempt from the UK's taxation laws. Therefore, they have to pay at the highest possible rate.

Add to the above the following:

1 - They all live in million-pound houses that are similarly subject to the highest band of property tax and by extension, cost a fortune to run and maintain.

2 - They all have families that are high maintenance because of the lifestyle that they have become accustomed to.

3 - They all have ex-wives and associated children that they will all be paying maintenance to (John especially I would have thought).

4 - The three of them also run their own production companies that have associated staff and corporation tax etc that require paying.

5 - Now the contorversial bit - we have no idea of the debts that Freddie's spending ran up and neither do we know the kinds of debt that Brian, Roger and John have accumulated.

6 - How has the WWRY musical been financed int he different countries? Ticket pricing in Russia may not be high enough to cover the costs of staging the show - Queen touring could off-set that.

So, money is ABSOLUTELY the major factor behind them going out on the road; whatever rubbish Brian comes out with about wanting to go out for the fans, just remember that he is beheld to a contract with QPL and it is that organisation which dictates what Queen do.



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Posted: 06 Jan 05, 11:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Benn wrote:

>hardly think they need any more money, they >already rake in millions every year anyway

You have no idea - the fact that they "rake in" millions means that they have to forefit a large percentage of that in tax to HM Treaury - the fact that that Brian, Roger and John all choose to sent the bulk of their time in the UK means that they are not exempt from the UK's taxation laws. Therefore, they have to pay at the highest possible rate.

Add to the above the following:

1 - They all live in million-pound houses that are similarly subject to the highest band of property tax and by extension, cost a fortune to run and maintain.

2 - They all have families that are high maintenance because of the lifestyle that they have become accustomed to.

3 - They all have ex-wives and associated children that they will all be paying maintenance to (John especially I would have thought).

4 - The three of them also run their own production companies that have associated staff and corporation tax etc that require paying.

5 - Now the contorversial bit - we have no idea of the debts that Freddie's spending ran up and neither do we know the kinds of debt that Brian, Roger and John have accumulated.

6 - How has the WWRY musical been financed int he different countries? Ticket pricing in Russia may not be high enough to cover the costs of staging the show - Queen touring could off-set that.

So, money is ABSOLUTELY the major factor behind them going out on the road; whatever rubbish Brian comes out with about wanting to go out for the fans, just remember that he is beheld to a contract with QPL and it is that organisation which dictates what Queen do.


Pure nonesence...

1. They have sold more cd's and other stuff that The Beatles and The Rolling Stones (and they still do)

2. Their music is still broadcasted on the radio every day

3. The WWRY musical may not be a success in Moscow, in other countries WWRY break all the records.

4. Why is John (probably) not involved then??


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Posted: 06 Jan 05, 11:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mir@cle, re:

>Pure nonesence...

Let's see shall we.......

>1. They have sold more cd's and other stuff >that The Beatles and The Rolling Stones (and >they still do)

From the start, you are wrong. The Beatles and The Stones have been selling product since 1963 / 1964 - they have both had numerous number one singles and albums that have outsold Queen *BY FAR*

The Rolling Stones have sold "possibly" three times as many concert tickets as Queen have.

I could go on.....

>2. Their music is still broadcasted on the >radio every day

I will bet you any money you like that Beatles and Stones songs are played more often on radio around the world on a daily basis - and I fail to see how that is an arguement against my points above.

It's *broadcast* by the way......

>3. The WWRY musical may not be a success in >Moscow, in other countries WWRY break all the >records.

Break all the rocords for what? If the Moscow version is losing money, how do you think they are going to pay for it? The versions in other territories are sustained by THEIR OWN success.

I'm prepared to be *proved* wrong here, but I don't imagine there being a huge amount of profit at the end of each performance after the cast & crew, venue, promotor, accountant, management company etc etc have all been paid off.

>4. Why is John (probably) not involved then??

I've no idea, but John is supposedly retired from the mucis industry and has made his choice or hasn't been asked.
Perhaps john has invested wisely and doesn't NEED to do it?
Perhaps John's contract with QPL was different to that of Brian and Roger?

So, the *pure* nonsence is actually quite REASONED arguement. Are you one of these people that has not actually seen Queen perform and are blindly trying to believe that "QUEEN" are touring as opposed to: "Two blokes that used to be in Queen, one bloke that used to be in Free and a couple of associated musos playing Queen, Free and Bad Company songs" touring?


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Posted: 06 Jan 05, 12:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks for your English lessons (don't think you can write down a Dutch sentence without making any mistakes (-;) but I still think Bri and Roger can fill a swimming pool with money.


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Posted: 06 Jan 05, 12:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You are argument that Queen are touring for money makes about as much sense as the Matrix sequals. Brian and Roger are the directors and part owners of Queen Productions so in no way in QPL telling them what to do!

As for the tax argument, how will touring for a few months help them out? They will still be taxed in the UK?!?!? In any case with the amount they earn (they regularly feature in lists of highest paid entertainers in the UK) even after tax its still a boatload of cash!

If money was the reason it certainly wouldnt have taken them this long to tour again! Queen have never been more prominant (and profitable) then at the moment. Musical, DVD's etc. This tour is for us the fans, and for them because ultimately they love making music!

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Posted: 06 Jan 05, 12:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Exactly!


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Posted: 06 Jan 05, 12:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

First of all, we won't find out, and that's probably ok.

I don't think money is the main motivation, there are better projects to make money. DVD and musicals for example. For sure they did not do that for fun. So they quite obviously still must be interested in money.
What is strange to me is how sudden they decided to tour, after 13 years, without a concept it seems. A bit rash. Also, QP leaves the impression of being overstretched with such a tour. Normally, you would book venues about a year in advance. You would promote it. Now there was not even a proper press release, no clarity about the line-up, schedule... the last time QP tried to organize a huge event (46664), they announced it with a big bang and then followed - a mediocre singalong that almost no-one noticed. I'm really excited whether they can handle it, musically and logistically.


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Posted: 06 Jan 05, 13:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Money is a nice addition to the fact that they simply WANT to do it. When you love doing something, and have done it all your life, eventually you'll do it again.



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Posted: 06 Jan 05, 13:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Stupid post - The Magic Tour was the frist Tour Queen made profit of and a tour these days is VERY expensive to finance and usually done for promoting albums. Brian and Roger (and Freddie) are still one of the richest persons in Britain!
Pure crap !!!

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Posted: 06 Jan 05, 21:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I have to say that i agree in that i find it odd that all of a sudden "Queen" decide they want to tour. They SHOULD have gone out after MIH..but they were'nt up for it out of respect to Freddie (at least that was the story then) One has to wonder then..WHY NOW??

I sure hope no one is "having one more go at it" before they drop. Not to start anything here, but the thought has crossed my mind.

Makes one wonder with all the rumors lately about a particular band members health and well being....

Surely at the age they are reaching now, this will be one of the last "full tours".

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Posted: 07 Jan 05, 02:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Bri and Roger did both some solo tours, but love to tour together for at least one more time... Music was their first love and apparently they're still in love.


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Posted: 07 Jan 05, 09:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



The Sunday Times rich list regularly says that Brian, Roger and John have £40 to £50m each, so the argument doesn't make sense to me.


As for the Moscow show - why would they sell tickets to make a loss?





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Posted: 07 Jan 05, 11:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

of all the reasons for doing the tour, i think money is their least motivatiion. i'm sure they are making enogh money from the musical and royalties ect, besides they wont make that much from the tour unless it is massive, and for a vintage band with a new lead singer, it is highly unlikely.

i think they just miss playing for people and being on the road. they always loved touring and they have obviously formed some kind of bond with paul rodgers.


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Posted: 07 Jan 05, 13:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Benn - I think you've hit the nail on the head, so to speak.
And am I the only one that thinks Brian has become terribly bitter and twisted in recent years. There seems to be a pretty obvious untertone in his musings on his regular "bri" postings.

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Posted: 07 Jan 05, 17:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

They love playing alive...

and of course... They love making money!!


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Posted: 07 Jan 05, 21:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Brian is the keeper of the Queen legacy. He has taken it upon himself to keep the Queen flame burning, and he has done so through various efforts to reach new people and accomodating other artists who perform Queen music.

Surviving Queen members are quite wealthy. John Deacon was a financial wizard for the band through the golden years, and his wisdom and his investments paid off handsomely. Money will never be an issue...

My opinion is that this tour represents:
1. a personal fulfillment for Brian and Roger, of a desire to once again perform and write and record.
2. a way to raise more money for AIDS awareness and prevention
3. a chance for these fortunate, talented musicians to have some bleeding fun.

And so shall we...


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Posted: 07 Jan 05, 21:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Ah yes....

Let us all hope so!

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Posted: 07 Jan 05, 22:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote



Queen star JOHN DEACON says, "I don't want to be nasty, but Robbie is no Freddie Mercury. Freddie can never be replaced - and certainly not him."

Source: http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/entertainment/21422004.htm



Interview?... oh, don't be ridiculous!
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Posted: 08 Jan 05, 05:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Of course first of all it is because of money, then it is because of money, money and MONEY...

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Posted: 08 Jan 05, 09:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

here's a shock... they want to