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Posted: 31 Jan 05, 17:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

neone notice that roger seems to be really passive agressive when he talks about john ;)

he really doesn't like backchat, he obviously didn't like that "funk" influence, he tends to downplay the success of john's singles...he needs to ease up on the poor man

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Posted: 31 Jan 05, 17:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

roger doesn't do that...not that i kno of...anyways...john is awesome who would do that to him?

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Posted: 31 Jan 05, 17:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don’t think it’s necessarily an attack towards John, but more of Roger's opinion towards the style of music John liked to write. Roger was always more into straight rock, where John liked to experiment with funk and wrote poppier songs. And Roger definitely isn’t one to keep his opinions to himself. If you just listen to Brian and Roger's comments on GVH I and II, Brian tends to try and downplay anything negative (like in the comments for It’s A Hard Life), but Roger is just brutally honest.


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Posted: 31 Jan 05, 17:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Is it any wonder why John doesn't want to join the other two on tour or in any other future endeavours??? I mean who in their right mind would after putting up with someone as rude, arrogant and insufferable as Roger for the amount of time Queen was together decide "Oh yes, I'll put myself through all that crap again" I somehow imagine that Freddie appreciated and respected John's talent and John as a person more than the other two did and that probably Freddie stuck up for John a lot. Yes, Roger is very talented musician but he's a sarcastic jerk and frankly, I think that's one of the reasons why John decided it was over for him when Freddie died.


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Posted: 31 Jan 05, 18:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yeah, Im sure Roger hated John.


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Posted: 31 Jan 05, 19:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

they made had some battles but all friends do but another thing roger didn't like another one bite the dust


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Posted: 31 Jan 05, 19:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

He didn't like performing the drum loop on the song, he never said anywhere he didn't like the actual song itself. Plus, Roger's a fairly opinionated person - he also rips apart several of Brian's songs and he also says flat-out he thought Brian's guitar solos were boring! And yet... somehow, they're still friends.

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Posted: 03 Mar 05, 06:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Roger didn't hate John, end of debate!


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Posted: 03 Mar 05, 08:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think you'll find that Roger & John were quite close before Freddie died. John was involved in Rogers early solo work a fair bit and it was John & Roger who started work on Made In Heaven together.
I think Roger has come to resent John for not wanting to be part part of the supposed Queen machine and John has basically cut himself off from Brian & Roger communicating only via letter.

PS - AOBTD isn't a drum loop whatsoever.

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Posted: 03 Mar 05, 10:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

with AOBTD i swear Brian said something like Roger had grave doubts about it in the studio, but LIVE, no. thats not saying he doesnt like the song at all.
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Posted: 03 Mar 05, 12:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

ernie wrote:

neone notice that roger seems to be really passive agressive when he talks about john ;)

he really doesn't like backchat, he obviously didn't like that "funk" influence, he tends to downplay the success of john's singles...he needs to ease up on the poor man


bands disagree about all kinds of stuff - watch the documentaries and interviews - you'll see plenty of evidence of minor and major fallouts

and what the hell is wrong with him being honest?

at least he's not being a two-faced-sychophantic shit - saying he likes everythingjust to keep the peace - roger is a rocker - and most of the funk would've grated on him terribly


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Posted: 03 Mar 05, 21:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<B><font color=#ff7f00>Brenski</B> wrote:



at least he's not being a two-faced-sychophantic shit - saying he likes everythingjust to keep the peace


hmm, now ur not referencing anyone in particular there are u? ;)

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Posted: 03 Mar 05, 23:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Brian_Mays_Wig wrote:

Yeah, Im sure Roger hated John.
Of course he did! You know NOTHING!


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Posted: 04 Mar 05, 08:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Roger never hated John, for God's sake: they had 2 very different lifestyles and musical tastes, but it doesn't mean they didn't respect each other. Yes, a good evidence of it is the fact that they began working on "Made In Heaven" together - which made Brian a little angry, as far as I know. There were almost 2 groups of allies in Queen: Freddie & John for commercial, poppy songs (hey, they wrote "Friends Will Be Friends" together!); Roger & Brian for the pure rock n'roll side, although there are exceptions: "The Invisible Man" or "Breakthru" for Roger, "Princes Of The Universe" and "The Hitman" for Freddie, but, to my knowledge, John never wrote a real "rocker" for Queen. I think Roger is agressive about John because he retired, period.

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Posted: 04 Mar 05, 11:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't care anyway - sarcastic jerks are great! Roger Taylor's cool, he wears great sunglasses and takes the piss out of people.

And if you hate him - just walk up to him and say 'sex video'.


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Posted: 04 Mar 05, 12:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

i dont think he hates john i just think he's annoyed b/c john wont join queen again and for dissing robbie in public lol good for john being strong and not being pressurised into doing something he dont want to do "without freddie"!!
i know that john used to look up to freddie as kind of big brother, you can tell he looks buzzed up in past interviews where he says he worked on this or that with freddie..
i like roger but hes alf changed ,,,oh its called getting old lol


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Posted: 04 Mar 05, 12:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

well i don't think roger hates john, it's just that sometimes the way he criticizes his songs sounds more like putting him down. if he comments on freddie's songs, he'll always add in something positive but with john it's another story. anyway, it doesn't matter; i agree that he's probably just pissed that john's being antisocial these days so fine, i'll accept that

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Posted: 04 Mar 05, 12:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I wonder if all 3 of them were still on speaking terms this tour would have ever happened... I get the feeling its been done in spite of John.

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Posted: 04 Mar 05, 13:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John was right about Robbie Williams, I find his "We Are The Champions"-cover really awful. Brian liked this job, but he didn't criticize John for giving his opinion about it. I think they still have minimal respect for each other, but not more.

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Posted: 04 Mar 05, 14:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Freddie F wrote:

John was right about Robbie Williams, I find his "We Are The Champions"-cover really awful. Brian liked this job, but he didn't criticize John for giving his opinion about it. I think they still have minimal respect for each other, but not more.


yeah and i actually heard a live version of Robbie singing the song where he butchered the damn thing. forgot the lyrics in some places and it was just horrible so good on John cuz he was right...although sometimes i questions if he really said what he did about robbie