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Posted: 24 Feb 05, 07:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi Do you think queen were obliged to release this tripe back in 1979 i think i read somewhere that they had to release a live album because of the rash of bootlegs surfacing around that time, if this is true i would have rather a mixture of songs from different concerts at different times eg songs from 1973,74 75,76,77,etc so you would have had a varied setlist over 4 or so years.

I think it would have been more received and applauded after all "live killers" only made no 63 in the album charts didn't it?

Oh well i vented my options anyone else agree?


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Posted: 24 Feb 05, 08:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What you talking about " Live Killers " is a class album showing Queen at their best in their heavier days. The album does have different songs from different concerts aswell all over europe in fact. I suggest you reread the album booklet and listen to it again. with regard to the contractual obligation i think they were planning releasing a live album at the time anyway.


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Posted: 24 Feb 05, 08:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What i meant was about the sound on the album was tripe not very good by other albums around at that time trust me the album is quite good but not one of their best as for songs what i meant is for example The prophets song good old fashioned lover boy songs that were played before 79 release rather than a 79tour/crazy tour setlist.


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Posted: 24 Feb 05, 09:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It was a live album - what the fuck do you want it to sound like? Live At Wembley is worse as it sounds too clean and the drums sounds horrid. Queen were at the top of their game in 79, they wouldn't have been forced to release anythign they didn't want to.

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Posted: 24 Feb 05, 10:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yeah I think I remember reading somewhere about Roger saying the album was a pile of wank or something to that effect


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Posted: 24 Feb 05, 11:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

q-_-p wrote:

Yeah I think I remember reading somewhere about Roger saying the album was a pile of wank or something to that effect


I've read that, too.
I believe he even comments on Freddie's voice
not being it top shape.

The sound mixing was not treated well at all.


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Posted: 24 Feb 05, 15:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Live Killers reached No. 3 in the UK and 16 in the US.

'Love Of My Life (live)' reached 63 in the UK. Live singles generally do not sell well.

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Posted: 24 Feb 05, 16:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think Live Killers brilliantly captured the feeling of being at a Queen concert.


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Posted: 24 Feb 05, 17:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mustapha Ibrahim wrote:

What you talking about " Live Killers " is a class album showing Queen at their best in their heavier days. The album does have different songs from different concerts as well all over europe in fact. I suggest you reread the album booklet and listen to it again. anyway.


i know the cover says it was recorded at 50 live shows...but i read somewhere that the bulk of the concert came from ONE german gig. so wouldn't this mean that the talkie bits and crowd noises and solos came from separate sources?




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Posted: 24 Feb 05, 17:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

BRENDA wrote:

What i meant was about the sound on the album was tripe not very good by other albums around at that time ...


Did you hear the 2004 remaster? (the mini LP release)...it sounds much better than the old 2CD. And I don't think a pre-80s live album could sound much better than that.


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Posted: 25 Feb 05, 02:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I haven't got the 2004 remaster i will have to get that thanks for the tip


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Posted: 27 Feb 05, 00:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<B><font color=#ff7f00>Brenski</B> wrote:


i know the cover says it was recorded at 50 live shows...but i read somewhere that the bulk of the concert came from ONE german gig. so wouldn't this mean that the talkie bits and crowd noises and solos came from separate sources?


It was my website, and the show is Frankfurt. :) There are so many overdubs and switches from show to show that it's impossible to know where certain crowd bits and such came from.

"The Champions" documentary is just as sneaky, if not worse. A lot of work went into overdubbing material for one little broadcast.



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Posted: 27 Feb 05, 07:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I remember when it first came out in 79. Up to that point I hadn't heard any live recordings til this was released. At the time I thought it was brilliant because I had nothing to compare it with. But after collecting tons of bootlegs and other recordings, I feel that Live Killers, though their performances were great, really lacked a live "feel" to it. There was no ambiance and the audiences were hardly audible. Their the ones that give any live album a live feel and how their mixed into the recording plays a big part too. Frampton Comes Alive is a good example of a great live recording. KISS cheated on their first two live albums by overdubbing any misakes and actually re-recording Hard Luck Woman in the studio and adding an audience recording over it for KISS Alive II. On Fire at the Bowl is an AWESOME example of how to mix both the band and audience and have good results. And yes, Roger has panned this album many times. I particularly like Sheer Heart Attack

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Posted: 27 Feb 05, 11:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I always found it interesting that the album jacket featured photos from various Queen tours but all the music was recorded from one tour. Well, at least we are led to believe it was all recorded "LIVE" on one tour!
That being said I still really like the album and prefer it to Wembley, On Fire and Live Magic.


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Posted: 27 Feb 05, 11:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think the best Live Album Queen released was 'The Who - Live at Leeds'. Anyone agree?

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Posted: 27 Feb 05, 13:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

nino trovato wrote:

, though their performances were great, really lacked a live "feel" to it. There was no ambiance and the audiences were hardly audible.


Still think that Live Killers captures a Queen gig in a great way and the audience is loud as hell in my opinion!!!!

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I think the best Live Album Queen released was 'The Who - Live at Leeds'. Anyone agree?

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Posted: 27 Feb 05, 17:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I love the crowd energy when they reprise Brighton Rock after the guitar solo. They sound really pumped up.


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Posted: 28 Feb 05, 09:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

nino trovato wrote:

On Fire at the Bowl is an AWESOME example of how to mix both the band and audience and have good results.


On Fire At The Bowl is 25 years later, of course it's better mixed than Live Killers!

The truth is that Live Magic is better technical quality than Live Killers, but it just doesn't compare musically speaking. '79 was one of their best years and the JAZZ/ Live Killers tour is simply awesome. It captures all the raw vital energy they had in the 70s. Freddie's voice had sounded indeed better in other shows (eg Earl's Court'77 or Rainbow'74), but it's allright even here. I don't know what's wrong with Roger, why did he agree to release it if he doesn't like it?
After all, Brenda, why the heck are we wasting our time on non-productive talks like this one, trying to change the past? The Live Killers has been released 25 yrs ago and we can't change it at all... you'd better enjoy it as it is, instead of imagining the way it could have been.


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Posted: 28 Feb 05, 09:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yeah point taken brian may1975 it was just something i read about not so long ago and thought eh topic time oh well can't win them all eh a plus though for me is that it does contain the best brighton rock version i ever heard imo.


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