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Posted: 12 Mar 05, 16:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't feel 'betrayed' by John because:

1. I personally don't know him.
2. I haven't ever worked with him, let alone play in the same band with him for over twenty years.
3. I am not currently apart of the Queen+Paul Rodgers tour.
4. You're an idiot (ok ok, I had to throw that one in there because this is ridiculous.)

None of us should feel 'betrayed' by John.
It isn't our personal business.
We're just fans.
Yes....we have the right to be upset/mad/angry/sad that John won't be taking part in the tour, but betrayed? C'mon people.
Unless you've known John and played with him in Queen (in which none of us have) then shush.

The man wants his privacy.
And I'm sure he doesn't care what online Queen nuts (myself included I suppose) think. As far as I'm concerned, we can feel 'betrayed' all we want; he's not going to care about fans he will never meet.
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Posted: 12 Mar 05, 16:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I feel that John was the only living member of Queen who didn't betray Freddie.


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Posted: 12 Mar 05, 17:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

No.


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Posted: 12 Mar 05, 17:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

i do understand your feelings with regards to john, but i dnt feel betrayed, i think hes had enough of it all and prob thinks queen are over now since freddie....i dont know maybe after he last performed as queen with elton maybe he felt that magic spark and energy was gone??! who knows!
i dnt know why but i think john is a bit of a lost soul some how since queen, b/c music is his life and he was spotted outside the musical last year so he still possibly is interested in whats going or to see what they done to his songs lolll.
whoooooo knows apart from mr deacon but good luck to him anyways as he's earned it.


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Posted: 12 Mar 05, 18:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

There are a handful of people who feel the same way as you. But it is just a handful.

Personally, I think if you're going to go down this route, I think you should moan about Fred wantonly taking it up the arse without doing us, his loyal stepfords, the basic courtesy of using condoms...or at least leaving us his house to write graffiti on.

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Posted: 12 Mar 05, 18:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I feel John is the smart one.
John has said that Queen died November 24th 1991.
Freddie was Queen.
Queen without Freddie is like your car with no engine....it can't operate.


John knew when Queen was over....John didn't betray anyone....John accepted that the band he was part of, ended early because the bands most famous, most recognizable member died young.

The Queen name should be laid to rest.
Queen is John,Roger,Brian and King Mercury...

Tell me that I am wrong....should a concert with Brian, Roger, Paul Rodgers, and a couple hired nobody's be called Queen.

Its just dumb.

Wait...John Deacon just called...he wants me, him, the drummer from Devo, the singer from Romeo Void, and the DJ from Vanilla Ice to tour....we going to call ourselves Queen.

How many of you are coming?
How many of you would accept us calling ourselves Queen, with only one original member in it?

To me... 2 original members in a band, and calling it Queen isn't much better.


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Posted: 12 Mar 05, 18:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Penetration_Guru....with a name like that, we are to assume you are an expert in taking and receiving it in the ass?

If Freddie wanted to dry hump a gorilla, and take a black midget and a can of axle grease to a island for a man on man romp...whats it to you??

He contracted AIDS to be disrespectful to you...his loyal fan?? Who probably downloads every other Queen album.

Give me a break... that comment was straight out of the trailer park.


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Posted: 12 Mar 05, 18:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hey now.
Let's keep this topic to where it was originally supposed to be going, shall we?

Betrayal WAS in fact the wrong word, unless you were using it in another sense other than describing your personal feelings.
However....you did not. Therefore, you had one of my mediocre, temperate lashes of what some might call 'anger.' But I just call it annoyance spewing out, because when I get annoyed, I'll tell people, and I did that exact same thing with you.
No need to get off into tangent city guys....
Freddie was not the topic, it was John.
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Posted: 12 Mar 05, 19:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

well...i must say that i definetly do NOT feel betrayed by John! i am a little sad and disappointed that he decided not to continue but i respect his decision! plus who would i be to say that i feel betrayed...i dont even bloody know him! if you do just so happen to know him, please tell me how to contact him, but i seriously doubt that you do so just try to use a better word to describe how you feel. and if you cant...then, well, i feel bad for you because you are too thick to respect his decision.


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Posted: 12 Mar 05, 19:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I've made all these points about 875,000,000,000,000,000,000 times before, but I'll patiently make them again.

1) Every artist has a certain number of performances in him. John knew what his was, and he ended it when it was up.

2) Queen officially disbanded in 1995. Therefore, Queen is technically no more (and while I'm not going to tell them what they can and can't do with their lives, I do wish Brian and Roger would remember this). There was nothing left for John to abandon.

3) I'd probably quit something too, if one of the major things I could associate with it was the tragic death of a friend.

4) John owes us nothing.


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Posted: 12 Mar 05, 20:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

geeksandgeeks wrote:

I've made all these points about 875,000,000,000,000,000,000 times before, but I'll patiently make them again.

1) Every artist has a certain number of performances in him. John knew what his was, and he ended it when it was up.

2) Queen officially disbanded in 1995. Therefore, Queen is technically no more (and while I'm not going to tell them what they can and can't do with their lives, I do wish Brian and Roger would remember this). There was nothing left for John to abandon.

3) I'd probably quit something too, if one of the major things I could associate with it was the tragic death of a friend.

4) John owes us nothing.


Exactly the case.
I've tried to explain it thousands of times on here. Hence my temporary leave of absence, if you will. ;)
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Posted: 12 Mar 05, 20:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

yes...but i dont fully agree with number 2...Queen isnt fully over...it definetly isnt the same but like Brian said, he and Roger are technically Queen...im interested to see how it goes, though. plus we all know that Quen will forever live on in our hearts!


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Posted: 12 Mar 05, 20:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Geeks and Geeks-

Exactly,
When "Made in Heaven" was complete, and the vaults of usable Freddie material have dried up.... Queen is over.

That's why I am still trying to solve this mystery of how Queen is touring.... unless Freddie reserected, and Deacon is back...a new "Queen" tour is impossible.

Oh, I see.... its 2 original members with other people?? (major sarcasm) ...then why don't they drop the name Queen??


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Posted: 12 Mar 05, 20:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

do you want to see the name of Queen disappear? that's probably why theyve kept it


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Posted: 12 Mar 05, 20:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't understand your question fully...
but just so we are clear...

The name of Queen will never disappear.
The legacy stands....the Beatles haven't recorded a track since 1969...thats 36 years ago..

I wouldn't say that name has went away.

But yes, on any new material..tours...concerts...yes, I want the Queen name to go away...its over.

Just as when the Beatles disbanded in 1970, you never had any other members whoring the name out as "The Beatles".... then when Lennon was assasinated, all possibilities of the Beatles were done.

11-24-91 should have been equal to Queen, what Lennon's murder was to The Beatles.


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Posted: 12 Mar 05, 21:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Scott_Mercury wrote:

The legacy stands....the Beatles haven't recorded a track since 1969...thats 36 years ago..


So then what's 'Free As A Bird' and 'Real Love'? There were also a few other songs recorded by McCartney, Starr, and Harrison in '95 - 'All For Love' and 'Grow Old With Me' - but they weren't released.

Just as when the Beatles disbanded in 1970, you never had any other members whoring the name out as "The Beatles".... then when Lennon was assasinated, all possibilities of the Beatles were done.


Again, not true. The remaining Beatles said for years that it wasn't possible, but yet they still did it. Paul and Ringo could probably still do it today, but "Paul McCartney" or even "Ringo Starr" would attract more attention than, say, Brian's or Roger's own names.

If Brian and Roger had focused on their own solo careers after Freddie died and built up a considerable catalog, then they could've gone out on their own, but I'm glad they feel comfortable enough with each other. And also that they don't listen to dissenting voices and instead do their own thing. More power to them.

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Posted: 12 Mar 05, 21:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I find it interesting that people get their panties in such a bunch with situations they obviously can't control. Brian and Roger are now Queen, whether people want to believe it or not, and if they're going to let a name come between their admiration for what once was and what is now, then they need to seriously reprioritize their life.

Every other band has done it for years - The Who, The Rolling Stones, The Kinks, The Faces, The Mothers Of Invention, Little Feat... it's very rare for a band to have such longevity as Queen did, but it's only natural for the remaining members to continue on. And they're not doing it to disrespect Freddie, no matter how cynically you want to look at it. Brian and Roger still love and care about Freddie very much, but there's no reason they should put an end to a good thing.

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Posted: 12 Mar 05, 22:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

No john has not betrayed queen, he put his cards on the table a long time ago. He wanted to retire. let the guy be.

Brian and Roger are doing the only job they know how, and that is play music. There are worse singers they could have chosen. But Paul Rodgers is a proven singer no matter what we all think.

If this tour fails, which is looking unlikey, we would not have bought all our tickets to BOO at Rodgers, or just have a right good old time, which, I believe, freddie would have wanted.



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Posted: 12 Mar 05, 22:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Lester-

The Who is the music of Pete Townsend, with Daltry as his lead voice that the people are framiliar with.

The Rolling Stones is Mick Jagger and Keith Richards....these are the groups songwriters, and two most recognizable faces.

What music do you listen to? Queen had a 18 year recording career....thats not uncommon anymore?
From Aerosmith to The Rolling Stones to ZZ Top to AC/DC (25 yrs now with Brian Johnson alone)...

A 18 yr career is not uncommon.

I'm sorry, but when a band breaks down to 1 or 2 original members...along with some fill in's.... thats just hoaky.

In the case of Queen, if Freddie Mercury and Brian May wanted to tour as Queen, I would be a little iffy on that.....but I wouldn't be quite so bitchy.

As Sebastian's website will show you, Freddie was the chief songwriter, he made John and Roger's song happen, he usually wrote at least 50% of every album alone.....
On top of this, he is the most recognizable member of the band we know as Queen, both in face image and in sound.

If Freddie Mercury was John Lennon, then Brian May would be his Paul McCartney.

When the Beatles were done....Paul got on with his life...ie: Wings, then just, Paul McCartney.

I wish Brian and Roger would do the same.

When your most famous member, chief songwriter, and for all intents and purposes "group leader" passes away... the man who named the group Queen afterall....c'mon...let it go.

Lester, I know Roger and Freddie love Freddie...and I know that they know he can't be replaced by anyone.

But you are not seeing the picture here of "putting a good thing to rest".... we have no choice to put it away....
Its not like Queen broke up for 14 years, then want to get back together.

Queen's heart and soul died in 1991.
The good thing died.
The end came 14 years ago...like it or not (we all don't).
Then...25% of the surving members (deacon) won't be there.

Sure, I'll go out and see 2 of my favorite musicians in the world.... but i"m still going to have a thorn up my ass about the name on the marquee.


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Posted: 12 Mar 05, 22:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Meh, differing opinions. We're both right, I suppose. You have your reasons, which are very good, and I have mine, which I obviously prefer. No sense in getting into a debate over something which we can't control, eh?