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Posted: 16 Mar 05, 20:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

For everyone who has already heard the entire Capitol Gold Interview and for those who will hear it...

Listen to the archive Interview clip with Capitol Gold DJ and Queen Champion Kenny Everett and his incredible anecdote about how Freddie first brought "Bohemian Rhapsody" to Kenny's attention and how the song got its first airplay...

and Kenny's celestial accolades of the song, how Kenny couldn't believe that Freddie was unsure of how wonderful and amazing his own song was...and Kenny said affectionately and with utter exuberance in his voice, that it was like Mozart wondering if his next Concerto was any good...when of course Mozart's Concerto was utter genius as...

Bo Rhap...was utter Genius and had #1 hit written all over it!

It's a joy to listen to Kenny's anecdote and his comparison of Freddie..to Mozart...that's some Pantheon comparison eh....Thanks Kenny!!


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Posted: 16 Mar 05, 20:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hmm.

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Posted: 16 Mar 05, 20:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I would've been impressed if someone from The Academy of Saint Martin-In-The-Fields said something like this. Yes, I know, Bohemian Rhapsody is a great song. I won't deny that. But OF COURSE it sounds like "Mozart". It was MOCK opera. It has classical elements to it. But so do a lot of other things. That is the essence of music. Structure and lines, chords and themes, and on and on. I kind of sound like I am bringing down and generalizing Freddie's composing abilities which I don't intend to do at all. The man definately had a gift. I have a very high regard for his music. I just don't think we should be freaking out about a claim by ... what's his name? Kenny Everett? Who?


PS- Did you give up on the rest of your posts, Arlene?



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Posted: 16 Mar 05, 22:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hey hey hey, cerfificates don't hold shit in my opinion. Some halfwitted intellectual goes to University for 10 years, gets a stock portfolio and grows a grey beard, and all of a sudden he's called an 'expert'?

Get real man, and don't cast aspersions on Kenny Everett. Sure, he probably knew crap about music, other than 'what he liked' and 'what he didn't like' - but he was a damned funny bloke!


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Posted: 17 Mar 05, 00:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think someone should know the two things they are comparing if they're going to do it. That's why a Saint Martin person would be more impressive. Experience in working with Mozart's music was all I was after.

It is highly debateable that Mozart would worry about his concertos, considering at times he was an arrogant ass. He knew what he was doing. He didn't question himself. All you have to do is see Amadeus to know that.

I also see that he said (this is what I believe is a quote from Mr. Everett since you won't use quotation marks) "like Mozart wondering". As in, IF Mozart (an obvious genius) WERE to have pondered the greatness of his work. This in comparison to Freddie shows how silly it was to wonder indeed. But give the guy a break. He was only human. Perhaps he was a little sensitive about it because it was something personal.


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Posted: 17 Mar 05, 00:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sometimes classical music is a little over-rated compared to popular. I mean not always a classical piece will be more clever than a popular one. How many people read composition, harmony, counterpoint or arrangements for yonks and get phds and rubbish like that? A lot. And how many of them can compose something like `Stand By Me`, `What`s Up` or `Woman` with 4, 3 and 6 chords respectively?

Fred couldn`t have enabled composing long symphonic movements like W.A. Mozart, but the latter probably wouldn`t have been able to compose something like Bo Rhap, complex and catchy at the same time, compressing such a long melody and so many sophisticated details in only six minutes. Nobody`s "better" or "worse", their expertise was different.

Same for critics: some so-called intellectuals only appreciate a musical piece if it`s got a thousand chords and plenty of tritone leaps, meter changes, modal swithces and counterpointal twists, while sometimes a radio dj is the best one who can appreciate the magic of a not-so-complex track as, for instance, We Will Rock You. If you asked Kenny about whether Procession was generic baroque or not of course he wouldn`t be the right person, but as for a valuable opinion on the longevity and everlasting quality of a track in the radio he certainly was in a much better place to know, than any musical scientist.


John hated HS. Fred's fave singer was not PR. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Scotland's not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.
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Posted: 17 Mar 05, 00:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

" ... as for a vauluable opinion on the longevity and everlasting quality of a track in the radio he certainly was in a much better place to know, than any musical scientist."

Thank you for such an articulate insight. I didn't see it that way. I stand corrected. I was wrapped up in the theme of comparing the two on one plain.


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Posted: 17 Mar 05, 01:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sebastian wrote:

Fred couldn`t have enabled composing long symphonic movements like W.A. Mozart, but the latter probably wouldn`t have been able to compose something like Bo Rhap, complex and catchy at the same time, compressing such a long melody and so many sophisticated details in only six minutes. Nobody`s "better" or "worse", their expertise was different.


Mozart could and did and furthermore did it so many times he probably forgot more of them than Freddie ever wrote. Not to say Freddie wasn't a talented song writer, but to even speak of him in the same breath as Mozart is riduclous.

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Posted: 17 Mar 05, 03:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Boo-oooring, it's only music, I'll breath them both in the same breath if I feel like it. Heck, I'll even throw Hitler in there, even though I'm confident the only song he ever composed was "I'm a Complete Idiot" in D #.


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Posted: 17 Mar 05, 12:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

For all you naysayers, here is the link to Brian's website where he posted Part 7 of the Capitol Gold Interview re: Kenny Everett's support of Queen and in particular, "Bohemian Rhapsody", which is as you will read in Part 7, greatly pointed out and appreciated by both Roger & Brian to this very day, with the transcript of Kenny's Interview archive clip discussing "BoRhap".

http://www.brianmay.com/queen/tour05/interviews/capitalgold11mar05pt7.html

Also...Kenny didn't Literally or Presumptuously mean to compare BoRhap and Freddie to Mozart and a Concerto, he was using it as an exagerating anecdotal.... metaphor!


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Posted: 17 Mar 05, 13:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

arlene wrote:


Also...Kenny didn't Literally or Presumptuously mean or compare BoRhap and Freddie to Mozart and a Concerto, he was using it as an anecdotal
.... metaphor!


I know. This is what I said in the third paragraph of my second entry.


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Posted: 17 Mar 05, 13:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Of course Farlander is right. Mozart didn't have the slightest problem writing catchy tunes, he composed hundreds, maybe thousands of tunes, simple and complex, short and long, for one instrument and dozens of instruments and Freddie with his 150 three to six minute songs or whatever cannot in any way be compared with him. He wasn't educated the same way, he didn't occupy himself with music as much (nowhere near as much) and in the same way and he didn't want (or have) to either.
And the Amadeus-film is not as accurat as one would like to believe.


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Posted: 17 Mar 05, 21:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Of course Mozart didn`t have problems writting catchy tunes, but IMHO he wasn`t absolutely "better" or "worse" than Freddie, Paul McCartney or even the Blink 182 blokes. Could he enable a much larger variety of simple and complex devices? Of course. No doubt about that. Could any rock star compose like him? no way. Could he compose like them? No (imo). No rock artist has ever been able to produce me the sensation I get with Pachelbell`s Canon as well as no classical composer has ever provoked me the feeling I get with Stairway To Heaven. Apples and oranges ... which can of course be compared, they`ve got pros and cons with each other, but non of them is cathegorically superior. IMO


John hated HS. Fred's fave singer was not PR. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Scotland's not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.
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Posted: 18 Mar 05, 05:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I wonder if Wolfgang could sing, and entertain a crowd like Freddie. Perhaps he could, that would be interesting to know.


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Posted: 18 Mar 05, 06:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

That's horse hockey. Everyone knows that L.V Beethovern was the world earliest incarnation of Paul McCartney/Freddie Mercury and Gene Simmons combined. Fuck, what do they teach you imaginary school these days? Nothing?


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Posted: 18 Mar 05, 08:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think Queen's music can stand on it's own without
support or references or comparisons to
mozart(Who is it ?)

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Posted: 18 Mar 05, 15:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Is someone here related to WKMahler?


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Posted: 18 Mar 05, 22:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:

"Kenny Everett's comparison of BoRhap as Genius As A Mozart Concerto"

What an insult to Boh. Rhap! I'd say AT LEAST Beethoven, I would even say Debussey myself!



Let me tell you... you don´t know a shit about music my dear... Mozart was the greatest composer ever... Beethoven was a genius, but he didn´t have Mozart´s easy way of expressing...

Debussy? impressionists... great music... but you can´t compare them...

Just play or hear any of these composers´ music and make a comparison... there´s nothing like Mozart!

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Posted: 19 Mar 05, 08:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I wrote my general studies essay on comparing Beethoven's 5th symphony with Bo Rhap.

I prefer Mozart though, the great melodist.

It's daft to compare them, Mozart doesn't sound anything like Bo Rhap, and they have absolutely nothing in common worth comparing. Mozart was a genius at composing classical music, and Freddie was a genius at composing pop songs. Switch the roles round and who knows?? They might have been mediocre at best.