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Posted: 24 Mar 05, 16:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

http://parlophone.co.uk/mailer/queen/newtourlogo.jpg

You can see it on QOL too. I think it's a good thing, now you can see this is not the same Queen as before, it's really another band. This will probably feature prominently on the merchandise I guess...


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Posted: 24 Mar 05, 17:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'd like to know who designed it. Also, I'd like to see it a bit larger.


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Posted: 24 Mar 05, 17:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

i have to say, i dont like it very much, but if thats want they want to use, then fine


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Posted: 24 Mar 05, 17:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Dan Corson wrote:

I'd like to know who designed it. Also, I'd like to see it a bit larger.


I'd just like to see it... my eyes aint what they used to be






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Posted: 24 Mar 05, 17:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Even if I Loved Paul Rodgers..or any singer, musician who joins Queen...they should leave the logo alone!!!!

It's like when Coca Cola changed and "updated" things. Well it sucked. And they went back to good old classic Coca Cola. It's like a prestigious brand name & seal, you know. Some things are in fact, a classic. I have no problem that this is 2005, a New Millenium, what have you,...so get a new singer, whatever...but the Queen logo is a Signature of everything that Queen stands for, of pride, dignity, honor, regal splendor, old...and New. Don't mess with an Original, Classic.

And why not change and update the Union Jack while you're at it (sarcasm!) It's oudated, a dinosaur. (extreme sarcasm)


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Posted: 24 Mar 05, 18:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

arlene wrote:

Even if I Loved Paul Rodgers..or any singer, musician who joins Queen...they should leave the logo alone!!!!

Well, there is a Queen logo which is still Queen logo. This Q+PR logo. So what is the problem?


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Posted: 24 Mar 05, 18:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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arlene wrote:

Even if I Loved Paul Rodgers..or any singer, musician who joins Queen...they should leave the logo alone!!!!

Well, there is a Queen logo which is still Queen logo. This Q+PR logo. So what is the problem?


Well, While I am intelligent enough to know there are 2 crests and that this is the one for the current tour...alot of people are going to be awfuly confused and think that this IS the Queen crest.
There WERE 2 Logos for Coca Cola too, Classic Coke, and "New" Coke, and that's only a stupid soda..and people were buying the wrong thing, getting confused, etc.

What's going to happen here? They should keep the original crest..but put the WORDS Queen+PR next to it, or put the NEW crest next to it stating Tour 2005.

When The Allman Brothers Band reunited in 1989, with alot of NEW members, in their case permanent, to replace Duane Allman & Berry Oakley, they KEPT the ORIGINAL logo, but for each year's tour, as the lineup has changed, repeatedly throught the years, they change the year and sometimes put a Separate Tour logo--Next To the Original Logo. I have most of the tour shirts and posters from 1989-present.

I like that idea...Brian & Roger should put the Original Crest logo on everything...with something like a logo of 2005 Tour Queen+PR next to it.


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Posted: 24 Mar 05, 18:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Well, While I am intelligent enough to know there are 2 crests and that this is the one for the current tour...alot of people are going to be awfuly confused and think that this IS the Queen crest.

Well, for one thing fans do know what the original crest of Queen is/was. For those who do not know they probably even don't care how the crest did look like and probably don't pay attention to those details.

Remember that crest was a symbol of 4 Queen memebrs and their zodiac signs. So, changing it now from that point of view makes sense. The change was probably initiated by band members or someone from their marketing.


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Posted: 24 Mar 05, 18:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I like the logo. The only problem is the "Queen" part. That said I love this "new" band.


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Posted: 24 Mar 05, 18:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I love it. Strange stuff but VERY nicely designed.

I wonder what's the meaning of it.

Isn't it the phoenix reborn from the ashes, rising and reigning again ?


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Posted: 24 Mar 05, 19:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

tomnever wrote:

I love it. Strange stuff but VERY nicely designed.

I wonder what's the meaning of it.

Isn't it the phoenix reborn from the ashes, rising and reigning again ?


But wasn't the Phoenix...Freddie's original idea that's on the Original Crest that Freddie designed!


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Posted: 24 Mar 05, 19:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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But wasn't the Phoenix...Freddie's original idea that's on the Original Crest that Freddie designed!

Freddie did complete design of the crest - using the Zodiac signs for the four members of the band: The crest consisted of two lions (Leos for Roger and John Deacon), holding up a Q around a crown, a crab on top (Cancer for Brian May), and two fairies (Virgo for himself). There is a bird on top of that all - Phoenix. However, due to the meaning of the Phoenix itself you can't look at that as exclusive to the first logo. As FM said in one interview "I got my diploma from Baling College of Art, in graphics and illustration. You know, I designed the Queen crest. I simply combined all the creatures that represent our star signs-and I don't even believe in astrology.". To understand meaning of Phoenix one must know that this was designed before they did a first album. Idea was that 4 zodiac creatures around Q are now coming to get you with their music (as they all have been involved in music before Queen and this time they would arise - as Phoenix did). After that sign has been applied for ANATO and ADATR album sleeves. Phoenix in 2005 means come back of certain Queen members and their sound - it is symbolic figure as it was 34 years ago.


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Posted: 24 Mar 05, 19:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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arlene wrote:


But wasn't the Phoenix...Freddie's original idea that's on the Original Crest that Freddie designed!

Freddie did complete design of the crest - using the Zodiac signs for the four members of the band: The crest consisted of two lions (Leos for Roger and John Deacon), holding up a Q around a crown, a crab on top (Cancer for Brian May), and two fairies (Virgo for himself). There is a bird on top of that all - Phoenix. However, due to the meaning of the Phoenix itself you can't look at that as exclusive to the first logo. As FM said in one interview "I got my diploma from Baling College of Art, in graphics and illustration. You know, I designed the Queen crest. I simply combined all the creatures that represent our star signs-and I don't even believe in astrology.". To understand meaning of Phoenix one must know that this was designed before they did a first album. Idea was that 4 zodiac creatures around Q are now coming to get you with their music (as they all have been involved in music before Queen and this time they would arise - as Phoenix did). After that sign has been applied for ANATO and ADATR album sleeves. Phoenix in 2005 means come back of certain Queen members and their sound - it is symbolic figure as it was 34 years ago.


You know what both Freddie would say, and I say...Bullocks!!!! Freddie designed it nonetheless. It's his artwork. His crest. Queen+PR..go design your OWN ORIGINAL crest, and stop plagerising Freddie's artwork because you are not original enough to design your own crest!


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Posted: 24 Mar 05, 20:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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You know what both Freddie would say, and I say...Bullocks!!!! Freddie designed it nonetheless. It's his artwork. His crest. Queen+PR..go design your OWN ORIGINAL crest, and stop plagerising Freddie's artwork because you are not original enough to design your own crest!

You can speak to dead people? That explains few things :) But really, where do you see any plagerising? It was not his creast but Queen crest. Q+PR just did a new crest - that's what first post is about :) If you believe that Phoenix is something that only belongs to Freddie - you are wrong. Phoenix is a symbol and crest itself should really be seen without Phoenix. If you check all bio documents and interviews in the past you will get that picture without any problems.


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Posted: 24 Mar 05, 20:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

hcrvelin wrote:

arlene wrote:


You know what both Freddie would say, and I say...Bullocks!!!! Freddie designed it nonetheless. It's his artwork. His crest. Queen+PR..go design your OWN ORIGINAL crest, and stop plagerising Freddie's artwork because you are not original enough to design your own crest!

You can speak to dead people? That explains few things :) But really, where do you see any plagerising? It was not his creast but Queen crest. Q+PR just did a new crest - that's what first post is about :) If you believe that Phoenix is something that only belongs to Freddie - you are wrong. Phoenix is a symbol and crest itself should really be seen without Phoenix. If you check all bio documents and interviews in the past you will get that picture without any problems.


I never said I "speak to dead people..that would be the child actor Haley Osmet in the film "The Sixth Sense"! I meant that IF Freddie were here, he would say Bullocks.

Just so you know here in Maryland a man designed a crest for The Baltimore Ravens Football Team when the team 1st came to Maryland and they were taking open solicitations for artwork for their crest. The artist/man submitted a raven with a football helmet. The Ravens management sent it back to him with a rejection letter stating they didn't like it and no thanks. Few months later, when The Ravens "Debuted" their logo that they said their own "In house artist" had designed, it looked suspiciously familiar. Now don't get me wrong. The raven is a common bird and so it would seem a common everyday idea. Well a court here didn't think so. The artist who had originally designed the crest that was "rejected" sued The Baltimore Ravens for plagerism and won a multi-million dollar lawsuit, plus copyright infringement.

So, I hope if there are any lawyers in heaven, (oh yeah, I forgot all lawyers go to HELL!!!), acting on Freddie's behalf, that they send a spirit to haunt whoever designed the Queen+PR crest.


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Posted: 24 Mar 05, 20:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Posted: 24 Mar 05, 20:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yes, when I listen to Original Queen music by the Original Band (which can be NEW mind you, just the Original members), as well as music by many of my other favorite music artists who still hold their name and legacy with pride and dignity, even if they move forward into the future.

And going to fantastic concerts, watching great films, TV, reading great books, enjoying the great outdoors, sunshine, vacations, shall I go on.


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Posted: 24 Mar 05, 20:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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So, I hope if there are any lawyers in heaven, (oh yeah, Iforgot all lawyers go to HELL!!!), acting on Freddie's behalf, they send a spirit to haunt whoever designed the Queen+PR crest.

I hope that one day you will realize that crest is just a marketing thing - as it was then - and as such not worth discussion. The only thing that matters is music. Queen is just a drop in the sea of the really good music. But it's huge drop. Crest? Who gives fuck? It's a fucking logo with bird which has crown (and it looks like Phoenix which is fine) and in front it says Queen+PR. It has nothing to do with old crest. I can understand there would be always people who will find something wrong with Queen+PR whatever they do. If they didn't change the logo someone would bitch about that. Now they changed it and someone won't like it. I believe we can talk if we like it or not (to me old one looks much better), but rationally there are no similarities between two. This is just a tour logo and nothing else. Tour logos changes from year to year. You are either too serious about this whole thing or playing fun with us :) Anyway, time to go to my bed. Good night.


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Posted: 24 Mar 05, 22:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I love the crest that Freddie did.This crest shows that the band changed ... a little bit sad...for me...


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Posted: 25 Mar 05, 04:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

first of all....

it's a lovely crest, but JUST a crest!
are we going to the concerts to see a crest? do we buy records for the sleeve artwork or the cover design? do we buy books for their covers?

come on guys, freddie did it - ok, it was brilliant and i love it. but HE DID IT FOR QUEEN, so brian and roger HAVE any right to keep it for the present tour, but they thought this tour meant something new and slight different so they decided to have a new one! This is not important, but it's a right decision to me.
no plagiarism, freddie did it for queen...
...and there are 2 members of queen here. freddie surely didn't mind, maybe he'd just laugh on us..we're givin' it too much meaning.

and freddie didn't invent the phoenix...i mean the idea, the concept. and just look the Marlboro logo: an oval in the centre...a crown on it and 2 animals on the left and right...does anything clicks? there are a lotta logos and crests like that and freddie was not that original, though he made what i consider the coolest, the best crest i ever saw.

but it's just a crest....


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