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Posted: 29 Mar 05, 16:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

...or whatever the hell it is.

Being the bastard that you are (i.e., the owner of the studio version of Hangman) you are in the unique and privileged position of being able to hear the lyrics to said song much more easily than the rest of us mere mortals.

Can I respectfully ask if you could dust off the old acetate (metaphorically speaking) and give the track another listen, and then enlighten us guys here as to what in the hell Fred and co are actually on about in the song?

I believe you promised Zeni you'd do this many moons ago, and that ledge to this day, to my knowledge, remains unhonoured. And if you cross Zeni in any way....Well, she's got ducks. And lap-dancing videos. And she's not afraid to use them...

Pretty please?


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Posted: 29 Mar 05, 16:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'll have a P please Bob....

Moving on, isn't it "Mr Tease"?

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Posted: 29 Mar 05, 16:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I believe that Zeni already received a correct answer to this from Penetration Guru who had transcribed the version.

http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q_FORUM_ID=1&Q_FORUM_NAME=Queen+-+Serious+Discussio&TOPIC_SUBJECT=Eponymous+Queen+or+debut+album.&Q=407815&page=7

I would agree with "Mr Tease" as opposed to "Mr T", and a few less "ohh", "Ahhs" but apart from that they are lyrically very similar.


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Posted: 29 Mar 05, 18:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

And I was so close to getting medieval on someone...


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Posted: 29 Mar 05, 22:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

And I was so close to getting medieval on someone...


I'm always here for that Zeni!


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Posted: 30 Mar 05, 07:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I pity da foo' who can't sing falsetto.


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Posted: 30 Mar 05, 17:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yeah, but PG's transcription, at his own admission, was only a start, and there are blanks that need to be filled in there. In fact, I can hear Zeni still just singing "Hangman, hangman" over and over again.

Can you expound a little on the track itself? Thomas Quinn asked a few questions in that thread that went unanswered by you.

You mentioned that the song is "a demo without any overdubs", "the same as The Night Comes Down...very simple, very basic". But as Sebastian correctly pointed out, TNCD is not a simple recording and contains many an overdub.

Can you absolutely confirm that the recording you have contains no more than 1 guitar, 1 bass, 1 drumkit, and 3 vocal parts sung by F, B and R?

And when did you become a convert to the school of Mr Tease, PG? In your initial lyrical transcription you were going down the B.A. Baracus route...


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Posted: 30 Mar 05, 17:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I highly doubt Mr. Stuart will tell us anything more than that he (apparently) "has" it.

Hence any attempts to get any answers off of him are fruitless. He didn't even respond to my e-mail about the Hangman acetate!

I smell something fishy here...and it ain't me

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Posted: 30 Mar 05, 18:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

you knocked out rocky, in rocky III, if you're Mr T

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Posted: 30 Mar 05, 18:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Bohardy: "Can you absolutely confirm that the recording you have contains no more than 1 guitar, 1 bass, 1 drumkit, and 3 vocal parts sung by F, B and R?"

The track constsists of a very simple arrangement and would not sound out of place alongside the likes of the De Lane Lea sessions, "Polar Bear" or "Silver Salmon".

My point to Seb was that many of these early tracks were performed "live" in the studio - and that the overdubs were added later. (Just like the Beatles early stuff - as opposed to "Pepper" or "Rhapsody" - both of which were entirely constructed in the studio).

Since Seb kicked my ass on that point - I have refused to be drawn into the creative process - as that is not my area of expertise. I would still argue that (for a band like Queen) De Lane Lane "feels" bare - but - that does not mean that there are NO overdubs - it means that there are no obvious double-tracked Freddie vocals etc.

I was also informed that this was very consistant with the session, as they did not have the time, or the guarantee that they could return to overdub - because they took a very poor second place to other recording artists. However, (as can be seen from the debut album) they must have had the time to return to some tracks at a later date.

Inu Yasha: "any attempts to get any answers off of him are fruitless. He didn't even respond to my e-mail about the Hangman acetate!"

You are correct. I did not respond to your e-mail on this matter, and I have remained tight-lipped, but that is my perogative. I have my own reasons for doing so (and I believe they are justified).

Apart from this board (where people still don't know what I look like) I am a very private person, and I do not want this to turn into some sort of "freak-show" - nor do I need to give "samples" or other bits to "PROVE" what I say. Simply - it exists - end of story.

Inu: "I smell something fishy here...and it ain't me"

Must be that Silver Salmon then!



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Posted: 31 Mar 05, 00:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Am I at least in the right key, Bohardy?


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Posted: 31 Mar 05, 14:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I wrote what I heard at th etime. I make no claim to consistency in this matter.

I respect the tall, blonde, blue eyed, craggy featured JSS' choice not to go any further than he has, although I would personally like to see a full (-ish) lyric, which I wouldn't personally see as the thin end of any "give us more" wedge, although I understand the concern.

Dark - fishy? Probably the local wino's fingers - ask your mother for more info....

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Posted: 31 Mar 05, 17:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Fortunately I've developed and finely honed the knack of tuning you out now Zeni, to the extent that you're nowindistinguishable from the sound of my constantly dripping kitchen tap, another irritating noise I no longer am conscious of.

The fact that you question your ability to sing in tune suggest to me that you aren't though. Perhaps you could try the old pliers under the frock method, as espoused by Freddie, although I'm not sure what effect that has on women. I think you've got the rhythm down though.

Thanks John for your reply. Like the trenchcoat-wearing, dark alley-lurking, chain-smoking PG, I would still like to see more accurate lyrics, but if you don't wanna go into Hangman any further I understand.


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Posted: 31 Mar 05, 20:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Penetration_Guru wrote:

Dark - fishy? Probably the local wino's fingers - ask your mother for more info....


My mom doesn't live with us anymore. She lives out east in Canada

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Posted: 31 Mar 05, 21:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Penetration_Guru wrote:

Dark - fishy? Probably the local wino's fingers - ask your mother for more info....


My mom doesn't live with us anymore. She lives out east in Canada


Genius.


No, really.

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Posted: 01 Apr 05, 04:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The Fonz wrote:

Inu Yasha<h6>a.k.a. Lum's Stormtrooper wrote:

Penetration_Guru wrote:

Dark - fishy? Probably the local wino's fingers - ask your mother for more info....


My mom doesn't live with us anymore. She lives out east in Canada


Genius.


No, really.


??

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Posted: 02 Apr 05, 14:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thank you.

One does what one can

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Posted: 02 Apr 05, 15:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Slighty more complete version...

I know all about you
They call you Mr T
You wanna buy...?
You make a very nice cup of tea

You use, you use, you use a cup of.....

Yeah, yeah now baby tell me
Have you made any more pork pies for me?
Hangman says theyre very nice to eat, yeah

Chorus

Hangman, hangman, waiting for me
Hang that rope from the highest tree
I don't want to beg for mercy
Hangman, hangman, hangman, hangman.

Verse

I know all about you
They call you Mr C
You did a very good job, very good job, very good job
...... I Agree
Yes, you go down in history
Baby, baby, they're telling me

Aah, now you say you're tired of living
Hangman says you're just a bit afraid of dying, Mr T, listen

Chorus

Hangman, hangman, waiting for me
Hang that rope from the highest tree
I don't want to beg for mercy
Hangman, hangman, hangman, hangman.

Solo

Ha-ang man, I see you
I see you calling
I see you calling me from the distance


You go down, you go down
You go down in history
Baby, baby they're telling me, yeah

Have you made any more pork pies, for me
He says theyre very nice, very nice to eat

Now you say you're afraid of dying
Hangman says he won't let you go
Now you're saying you're tired of living
Hangman says he won't let you go

Oh, you're gonna hang me, hang me....
You're gonna hang me, right away
Hangman, hang me, ooh ooh, aah aah

You've only come to watch me die

Die, come on baby, die
You just wanna come see me die, oh yeah
Aah, Saturday mornin', Saturday mornin'
Aah, you're coming to watchin me die,
You're coming to watching me die, yeah yeah
All right, yeah, ooh yeah

Oh take me home, just take me home

1, 2, 3, 4

..in the morning, everybody wanted to die
You can come along, you can come along, everybody
Aah, take me, ooh you're telling me
Yeah


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Posted: 03 Apr 05, 04:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I've never posted this for fear of being locked away.... :)

I've heard Hangman, and it wasn't one of the crap live versions getting around.

But here's the rub. I heard it maybe 15-20 years ago, BEFORE the Internet.

I can't remember where I heard it. I don't have it, but I heard it. I can sing the chorus - have been able to do for 15-20 years.
If and when I hear the studio version (again) I will be able to confirm that it is inded the version I heard so long ago.

I still have absolutely no idea where I heard it. Maybe it was in a dream :)

But I know I've heard it.

OK, send the straight jacket around now...


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Posted: 03 Apr 05, 22:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Penetration_Guru wrote:

Thank you.

One does what one can

Heh. The fact he still has no idea what you're on about is equally genius.