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Posted: 01 Apr 05, 16:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Ok. All of us already know that Freddie was the most prolific and talented of the songwriters in Queen. His compositions were the most melodic, deeply complex, and went from intricate to epic.

But...what we are only just finding out through some recent Topics...leading to us to some NEW insight and CORRECTED information, is that alot of songs credited to Roger, Brian, John from the AKOM years on...is that they were in fact written BY FREDDIE, such as "Innuendo", (which I always had thought myself Freddie had written, then I was informed that I had thought incorrectly and that "Innuendo" was NOT written by Freddie...then I was incorrectly.."corrected", that Roger had written it...now I find out Freddie DID write it. Oh what a confused mess.

Anyhow...I love and respect the songwriting of all of Queen's members. One big favorite in my TOP 10 is "You're My Best Friend" by John, who always seems to get the shaft creatively by folks and Queen fans.

And Brian's music is stunning, "Las Palabres De Amor", "Who Wants To Live Forever", "Hero", etc. Roger's is well more pop oriented. Now I even hear the my favorite song TATDOOL, that Roger only wrote the lyrics...that Brian & John wrote the music.

Anyhow...now CORRECT information is CURRENTLY surfacing about who in fact did write what...and ...surprise, Freddie still wrote the BEST songs...even near death.

(When people said Roger wrote "Innuendo" I not only thought that didn't feel or sound right,--

--it made it seem like Freddie did LESS songwriting as his illness got worse.)--

I just find it amazing and remarkable testament to Freddie's songwriting talents that in the realm of popular music, he definitely has his place as one of the top, most natural and gifted composers and to write a song of the epic scope of "Innuendo", ...

...while in the throes of such illness, and the subsequent debilitating pain, and I'm sure stress he endured while suffering from AIDS...truly shows how amazing he was and how far he could push himself artistically and how he could remain inspired, inspiring, and how resilillent he was.


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Posted: 01 Apr 05, 17:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

....so whats the question?


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Posted: 01 Apr 05, 17:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

she's starting a discussion...a very good one at that ^.^


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Posted: 01 Apr 05, 17:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

So what does everyone think about the CORRECTED NEW information as to what songs on what records that Freddie wrote and how, and what Brian, John, & Roger wrote and how from the AKOM years on, and how that impacts what you felt about their songwriting for all the songs and records prior to AKOM, and each member's lifetime career spanning songwriting overall?


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Posted: 01 Apr 05, 17:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"But...what we are only just finding out through some recent Topics...leading to us to some NEW insight and CORRECTED information, is that alot of songs credited to Roger, Brian, John from the AKOM years on...is that they were in fact written BY FREDDIE, such as 'Innuendo'".

"Anyhow...now CORRECT information is CURRENTLY surfacing about who in fact did write what".

- Correction: what YOU are just finding out. The information has been around for years, and those of us who have been here for as many days as posts you've accumulated in your 31 days here already know this stuff.

And we're really only talking about a handful of songs here that had debatable authroship; of the ever-so-slightly more than 2 album's worth of material credited to Queen, the majority of the songs were easily and quickly identified with their writer.

And I don't know where you got the idea that Bri and John wrote the music for TATDOOL from.


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Posted: 01 Apr 05, 17:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Bohardy wrote:

"- And I don't know where you got the idea that Bri and John wrote the music for TATDOOL from.


Red_Special227 syas it on the Topic of Freddies piano playing versus Brian's piano playing.


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Posted: 01 Apr 05, 17:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The whole Innuendo album is full of hope, love for life, trust in God, energy, desire to live life to the full...What makes it even more special and more beautiful is that Freddie could write this kind of songs in spite of his health. And the songs he didn't write, like The Show Must Go On, he still sang in the most empathic way. He really must have felt that way, or he wouldn't have been able to sing those songs other Queen members wrote. So regardless of who wrote what (though I'm very curious about it), for me Innuendo is basically a Freddie album, though other Queen members contributed to it. The same applies to The Miracle.

Freddie was a hero for the way he faced his illness and death. It's so easy to be bold and flamboyant when you're healthy, powerful and at your very best. But only heroes can be just as brave in times of despair. There are many little big heroes in the world who are not famous but who fight similar battles every day. We cannot know them all. Fortunately we can know Freddie, we have his example and that can be enlightening. I think Pope John Paul II is another such example.

Love you Freddie!!

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Posted: 01 Apr 05, 17:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

And so he does.

Well, don't believe everything you read on the internet.

There's nothing to me that suggests Bri and John had a hand in the music, quite apart from the fact that I've never ever heard this mentioned anywhere.

To me, TATDOOL was always quite obviously a Roger song, as I saw strong similarities to Heaven For Everyone, and viewed it as a kind of sequel.


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Posted: 01 Apr 05, 18:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't think that writing process makes painful anyone even if you're dying

Have you ever noticed how many songs he wrote for AKOM? Without John? He wasn't dying man in those days.

Anyway I don't think there's new info about those songs. Check Sebastian's site for songwriting details.

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Posted: 01 Apr 05, 19:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Freddie did write alot of music and according to Brian, Freddie would set all write all his lyrics and spend LOTS of time on them as he cared for them very much. He would also however give all lead guitar parts to brian to write according to Freddie's chord progressions (which seems logical as being in a band thats pretty much how it is) and if Freddie didnt like it he would try something diffrent. Also for those who dont know lead can be solos or little fills and runs or tacets.


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Posted: 02 Apr 05, 03:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Serry Funster wrote:


Anyway I don't think there's new info about those songs. Check Sebastian's site for songwriting details.

Sergey, I did check Sebastian's site but as far as I could tell there were only song writing details for songs for the oldest albums.


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Posted: 02 Apr 05, 16:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Fairy wrote:

Serry Funster wrote:


Anyway I don't think there's new info about those songs. Check Sebastian's site for songwriting details.

Sergey, I did check Sebastian's site but as far as I could tell there were only song writing details for songs for the oldest albums.


Try this:
http://sebastian.queenconcerts.com/s-basic.html

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Posted: 03 Apr 05, 07:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks Sergey. I had actually read that already. I was hoping to find a list of the latest songs and relative writers. But it's all very interesting anyway.

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Posted: 03 Apr 05, 14:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John seems to be my favorite, he wrote the catchy tunes-AOBTD-IWTBF-YMBF
Brian the sweet rockers WWRY-TYMD-HTF-FBG
Roger hmmmm Radio gaga-AKOM-TATDOOL he seems to came on late


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Posted: 03 Apr 05, 15:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Freddie is of course my favorite. How can you deny LOML, BoRhap, Somebody to Love, Innuendo, Keep Passing The Open Windows, CLTCL, etc. and so on.

But after that, Roger is my 2nd favorite songwriter, seeing as he wrote AKOM, Radio Ga Ga, and of course my very favorite Queen song, TATDOOL.
I guess John comes in 2nd because John wrote one of my all time top 10 favorite songs..."You're My Best Friend" and just lots of good stuff.
Then Brian 4th (I love Hero, Las Palabras de Amor, Who wants To Live Forever).

So overall I guess I would say my favorite songwriters in this order...
Freddie 1st
Roger 2nd
John 3rd
Brian 4th




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Posted: 04 Apr 05, 10:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

arlene wrote:

Freddie is of course my favorite. How can you deny LOML, BoRhap, Innuendo, Keep Passing The Open Windows, CLTCL, etc. and so on.

But after that, Roger is my 2nd favorite songwriter, seeing as he wrote AKOM, Radio Ga Ga, and of course my very favorite Queen song, TATDOOL.
I guess John comes in 2nd because John wrote one of my all time top 10 favorite songs..."You're My Best Friend" and just lots of good stuff.
Then Brian 4th (I love Hero, Las Palabras de Amor, Who wants To Live Forever).

So overall I guess I would say my favorite songwriters in this order...
Freddie 1st
Roger 2nd
John 3rd
Brian 4th



Are you mad? Brian is a better song writer in my opinion. Roger only uses the straight forward rock chords on his 70's and early 80's songs. Like SHA and Rock It (don't get me wrong, I still love them) but Brian can come up with amazing riffs and hooks and he is a wonderful writer. Brian is the only person who comes close to being able to write something that can compete with Freddie's complex songs. I love songs by all 4 members of Queen, but my favourite is Brian.

I think we definatly lucked out because we, in Queen, had 4 AMAZING songwriters. I applaud them all and none of them can be called bad songwriters. There are certain songs that if you like music you can't fault like IWTBF, WATC, Radio Ga Ga, Spread Your Wings, CLTCL, Somebody To Love, Save Me, Sail Away Sweet Sister etc.

But Brian is the man(IMO).


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Posted: 04 Apr 05, 14:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

freddie is my favorite, after that it's gets difficult to say, all are great song writers, but the way i see it, Freddie, then Brian, John, and roger are close, Early years john is the better one, but later roger was better, so roger and john are even.

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Posted: 04 Apr 05, 15:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'd have to go with:
1a. Brian (great riffs & lyrics)
1b. Fred (greatest hits)
3. John (beats Roger on the strength of SYW alone)
4. Roger (his early work kind of sucks (IILWMC), but I love AKM and TATDOOL)