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Posted: 11 Apr 05, 13:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I was reading "The Eye" the weekend arts & entertainment section of London's newspaper The Times at Borders Books & Music in Rockville, Maryland Sunday, and there is a Hilarious reference in an article which discusses Kurt Cobain...about Kurt being a weeny...in Kurt's own admission that he felt he was inferior to Freddie Mercury as a frontman.

In the 4/9/2005 edition of "The Eye" is a Cover Story about James Dean, which then discusses how certain entertainment idols that died...compared with their living contemporaries.

Some examples they used were:
Ian Curtis versus Bernard Sumner

Here's the Kurt Cobain one.

Kurt Cobain versus Eddie Vedder

Quote "Grunge thrust both of these Seattle frontmen into the limelight. When one decided to take his own life, all that remained was a heap of rambling, incoherent self-pity. But that's enough of Cobain's suicide note. After 1994, Pearl Jam's Vedder finally accepted that there was no shame in being the singer in a mainstream rock band."

"And Cobain? What a shame Courtney (Love) didn't Tipp-Ex the bit where he said he killed himself because he wasn't as good a frontman as Freddie Mercury."

"Verdict: It's not good to top yourself, let alone because they never called you
Mr. Fahrenheit."

Ok maybe it is in bad taste, but it IS TRUE to an extent...and sarcasticaly pokes fun at what a doofus Kurt Cobain was, taking his own life when he had so much to live for, and when in his suicide note, he whined that he couldn't compare to Freddie as a frontman, (I believe as I recall, Cobain's ACTUAL suicide note did NOT say Kurt literally killed himself because he wasn't as good a frontman. Of course this article is trying to be sarcastic and funny, it exaggerates)...

(But as I recall in the ACTUAL suicide note Cobain whined about how he envied Freddie for loving and adoring his audiences and thus, Freddie derived love, adoration, and energy off and from the audiences, something Cobain said he was incapable of and said he couldn't comprehend or feel.)



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Posted: 11 Apr 05, 13:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It wasn't a suicide note though, it was merely a rough letter that was intended to made into a press release stating that he was retreating from the music business.

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Posted: 11 Apr 05, 13:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Kurt Cobain. idolised by mindless teens wanted to be alternative


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Posted: 12 Apr 05, 04:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

A pointless article.

He didn't even compare himself as a frontman to Freddie. he just said he couldn't continue like Freddie, becuase the adulation fom loving fans that kept Freddie strong didn't mean anything to Kurt anymore.

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Posted: 12 Apr 05, 07:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

bigc wrote:

Kurt Cobain. idolised by mindless teens wanted to be alternative


Indeed, i think he's waaay overrated.
He wrote some nice poptunes but that's it really.


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Posted: 12 Apr 05, 11:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I have ALWAYS hated the whole grunge movement and its leader Cobain & Nirvana. People who made music that was full of whining despair, despondency, depressing...coming from a bunch of spoiled middle class kids who had everything.

Freddie LOVED life, embraced it, wanted so very much to live, had friends, family, his music... and fate took it away just like that when he became ill with AIDS.

Cobain had everything to live for, music, fame fortune, fans, family, a wife,...a new baby daughter who selfish idiot that he was he left fatherless, everything to live for, and he kills himself.

I am not very religious but I believe in God and I have faith. I don't understand, no matter how hard (or in Cobain's case how easy) life is, why someone takes their own life...

and I think about people everyday who have cancer, horrible diseases, live in war torn countries, with famine and abject poverty...and Freddie...all who loved life so very much...in spite of the pain and suffering they endured. Freddie worked and made music almost until the day he died. He LOVED making music and sharing it with the world. He had no choice..A terrible disease ended his life.

Cobain, if he idolized Freddie so much..should have had the intelligence, when he thought of committing suicide...to reflect on what Freddie went through...and how Freddie had NO choice, even though Freddie WANTED to live despite his disease putting him through horrible unimaginable pain and suffering...and so he died from an awful disease. Cobain should have put this in perspective and appreciated all that he had, lord knows whatever emotional pain Cobain had or issues he needed to resolve within himself, could not compare to Freddie's body being ravaged by AIDS...Cobain should have gotten some good counseling and help if he was having emotional problems...and chosen...life. Think about the daughter he could have seen grow up... What a cowardly loser. Angers me so.

Freddie..on the other hand was brave, and full of hope, light, life, music, inspiration, and faith until he passed. Freddie IS an inspiration...and a heartfelt mindful lesson for us all...of embracing the gift of life...even in the face of adversity.


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Posted: 12 Apr 05, 11:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

erm... OK. ??

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Posted: 12 Apr 05, 12:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

arlene wrote:

I have ALWAYS hated the whole grunge movement and its leader Cobain & Nirvana. People who made music that was full of whining despair, despondency, depressing...coming from a bunch of spoiled middle class kids who had everything.

Freddie LOVED life, embraced it, wanted so very much to live, had friends, family, his music... and fate took it away just like that when he became ill with AIDS.

Cobain had everything to live for, music, fame fortune, fans, family, a wife,...a new baby daughter who selfish idiot that he was he left fatherless, everything to live for, and he kills himself.

I am not very religious but I believe in God and I have faith. I don't understand, no matter how hard (or in Cobain's case how easy) life is, why someone takes their own life...

and I think about people everyday who have cancer, horrible diseases, live in war torn countries, with famine and abject poverty...and Freddie...all who loved life so very much...in spite of the pain and suffering they endured. Freddie worked and made music almost until the day he died. He LOVED making music and sharing it with the world. He had no choice..A terrible disease ended his life.

Cobain, if he idolized Freddie so much..should have had the intelligence, when he thought of committing suicide...to reflect on what Freddie went through...and how Freddie had NO choice, even though Freddie WANTED to live despite his disease putting him through horrible unimaginable pain and suffering...and so he died from an awful disease. Cobain should have put this in perspective and appreciated all that he had, lord knows whatever emotional pain Cobain had or issues he needed to resolve within himself, could not compare to Freddie's body being ravaged by AIDS...Cobain should have gotten some good counseling and help if he was having emotional problems...and chosen...life. Think about the daughter he could have seen grow up... What a cowardly loser. Angers me so.

Freddie..on the other hand was brave, and full of hope, light, life, music, inspiration, and faith until he passed. Freddie IS an inspiration...and a heartfelt mindful lesson for us all...of embracing the gift of life...even in the face of adversity.


Cobain was a weak person and had a shitty life since he was a kid.
I don't think that's something to get angry about. Cobain was a complete psycho suffering from depression. I don't believe that it had anything to do with Freddie Mercury. At least not with the PERSON Freddie Mercury, perhaps with his ROLE as one of the best lead singers in history. But certainly not with him personally or with his desease or his life style or his attitude.


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Posted: 12 Apr 05, 12:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

ok Cobain had depression.poor guy

doesnt mean you start doing heroine tho, does it?



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Posted: 12 Apr 05, 12:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

ok Cobain had depression.poor guy

doesnt mean you start doing heroine tho, does it?



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Posted: 12 Apr 05, 12:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sonja wrote:

arlene wrote:

I have ALWAYS hated the whole grunge movement and its leader Cobain & Nirvana. People who made music that was full of whining despair, despondency, depressing...coming from a bunch of spoiled middle class kids who had everything.

Freddie LOVED life, embraced it, wanted so very much to live, had friends, family, his music... and fate took it away just like that when he became ill with AIDS.

Cobain had everything to live for, music, fame fortune, fans, family, a wife,...a new baby daughter who selfish idiot that he was he left fatherless, everything to live for, and he kills himself.

I am not very religious but I believe in God and I have faith. I don't understand, no matter how hard (or in Cobain's case how easy) life is, why someone takes their own life...

and I think about people everyday who have cancer, horrible diseases, live in war torn countries, with famine and abject poverty...and Freddie...all who loved life so very much...in spite of the pain and suffering they endured. Freddie worked and made music almost until the day he died. He LOVED making music and sharing it with the world. He had no choice..A terrible disease ended his life.

Cobain, if he idolized Freddie so much..should have had the intelligence, when he thought of committing suicide...to reflect on what Freddie went through...and how Freddie had NO choice, even though Freddie WANTED to live despite his disease putting him through horrible unimaginable pain and suffering...and so he died from an awful disease. Cobain should have put this in perspective and appreciated all that he had, lord knows whatever emotional pain Cobain had or issues he needed to resolve within himself, could not compare to Freddie's body being ravaged by AIDS...Cobain should have gotten some good counseling and help if he was having emotional problems...and chosen...life. Think about the daughter he could have seen grow up... What a cowardly loser. Angers me so.

Freddie..on the other hand was brave, and full of hope, light, life, music, inspiration, and faith until he passed. Freddie IS an inspiration...and a heartfelt mindful lesson for us all...of embracing the gift of life...even in the face of adversity.


Cobain was a weak person and had a shitty life since he was a kid.
I don't think that's something to get angry about. Cobain was a complete psycho suffering from depression. I don't believe that it had anything to do with Freddie Mercury. At least not with the PERSON Freddie Mercury, perhaps with his ROLE as one of the best lead singers in history. But certainly not with him personally or with his desease or his life style or his attitude.


Read this thoroughly...this IS what I said. I said Cobain SHOULD have gotten some GOOD counseling to help him with his depression and emotional issues...

But what I went off on, was that Freddie had a terrible, raging, terminall illness, which put him though horrible physical...and emotional pain and suffering...you can bet Freddie's physical state wreaked havoc on his emotional state as well and that he was depressed..with a REAL reason..yet he loved life, loved making music until he died. He was brave and solderied on til the end.

I do understand that people with Clinical depression think their life is often worse than it is. But Cobain was an idiot. He did TONS of heroin, which he admitted in his diary...made his emotional and physical state...worse and became a ddownward spiral of self destruction. Cobain had a newborn baby daughter that he left fatherless because he was an idiot. He should have sought help instead of zoning out on drugs and alcohol.

Look at Freddie..when he got AIDS, he quit smoking, drinking, and drugs...and hoped that a Cure would be found, but in the meantime, he NEVER gave up HOPE!

Cobain, people like Ernest Hemingway (who also compounded his depression by bei


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Posted: 12 Apr 05, 13:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Arlene.... why on earth do you feel any need to post paragraphs on something you don't actually know about? Yawn...

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Arlene.... why on earth do you feel any need to post paragraphs on something you don't actually know about? Yawn...


Go take a nap since apparently I am keeping you awake...


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Posted: 12 Apr 05, 14:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

yup I havent compounded my depression. I still dont do drugs even though most people I know do.

I socially drink,but thats about it.

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yup I havent compounded my depression. I still dont do drugs even though most people I know do.

I socially drink, but thats about it.


Seriously...you ARE doing the right thing. Clinical Depression CAN be helped with proper treatment and a GOOD therapist. If treatment does not work, get a NEW therapist and try different prescibed medication.

But PLEASE do NOT go off on alcohol and drugs. That can make a NON clinically depressed person emotionally unstable and suicidal. Cobain was a fool. You can be SMART! and live a happy and normal life.

Think of Freddie, and how much he embraced the life he did have. Well you do that. Life is too short to not make the happiest and most of it.


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Posted: 12 Apr 05, 16:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Seriously... I'm not the biggest fan of Cobain but do you really think that someone as desperate as Kurt was that he's about to kill himself thinks about others who are dealing with a deadly desease and whether it's unfair to others who want to live but can't? I don't think so. I think someone that kills himself is VERY sick. And how desperate can someone be that he finds that suicide is the only way out... I think it's rather sad than selfish.
As for loved ones... who was there in Kurt's life apart from Francis-Bean? Courtney? She did heroin during her pregnancy so she's not much better than Kurt.


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Posted: 12 Apr 05, 17:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

arlene wrote:

bigc wrote:

yup I havent compounded my depression. I still dont do drugs even though most people I know do.

I socially drink, but thats about it.


Seriously...you ARE doing the right thing. Clinical Depression CAN be helped with proper treatment and a GOOD therapist. If treatment does not work, get a NEW therapist and try different prescibed medication.

But PLEASE do NOT go off on alcohol and drugs. That can make a NON clinically depressed person emotionally unstable and suicidal. Cobain was a fool. You can be SMART! and live a happy and normal life.

Think of Freddie, and how much he embraced the life he did have. Well you do that. Life is too short to not make the happiest and most of it.


I dont intend to. when I drink its hardly binging. I dont even drink spirits, just a few pints on a hot day is nice, or a friday evening or saturday night. but thats it.



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Posted: 13 Apr 05, 13:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Kurt was a prat. Vastly overated and thought he was the biggest thing since sliced bread AND had the nerve to mock people better than him ie Axl Rose. Axl is 100 times the man Kurt would EVER have been.


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Posted: 14 Apr 05, 05:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I personally think Kurt Cobain was a pretty decent guy. Just lived the rock and roll lifestlye, and wasn't really ready for such immedaite and outrageous fame.

All this, coupled with perhaps not the easiest upringing, drove him to suicide (if you believe Courtney Love didn't kill him).

I don't think this makes him any less a person for killing himself. Just becuase some of you don't agree with his motives for taking his own life, doesn't make them invalid fomr Kurt's point of view. He didn't want to continue, simple as that.

He was no more arrogant than anyone who has been thrust in the limelight suddenly and constantly. This was his way of dealing with his thoughts. He was just being a personality. And Axl Rose is a complete idiot, to suggest he is a better man than Kurt is ludicrous. Just because Axl is still alive doesn't give him the upper hand, it just means he's got more time to do silly things, like sack his band. Anyway...

I'd hope most of you would have heard of a footballer called Paul Gascoigne. I recently read his autobiography, and he suffered form very bad depression, alcoholism, compulsive obsessive dissorder, had many many twitches etc. As a child, his dad was very ill and this scarred him, he witnessed a few friends of his, at varied ages, die before him (car accidents etc). All this scarred him, as he blamed himself. His footballing injuries left him isolated though which he turned to alcohol to remedy his problems. COnstant spending of his money, problems with his wife and the inability to admit his problems to anyone didn't help him at all. Does this make him a better or worse person than Kurt? Paul felt some similar feelings to Kurt, but obviously different situations caused these. The main different is, although Gazza thought about suicide, he thought it perhaps too selfish. Now, Paul used his football (much like Freddie his music) to try and live his life. Would you honestly say Paul Gascoigne would have been any less a man if he would have ended his life? Or would he have just done it to get out of his problems?

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I personally think Kurt Cobain was a pretty decent guy. Just lived the rock and roll lifestlye, and wasn't really ready for such immedaite and outrageous fame.

All this, coupled with perhaps not the easiest upringing, drove him to suicide (if you believe Courtney Love didn't kill him).

I don't think this makes him any less a person for killing himself. Just becuase some of you don't agree with his motives for taking his own life, doesn't make them invalid fomr Kurt's point of view. He didn't want to continue, simple as that.

He was no more arrogant than anyone who has been thrust in the limelight suddenly and constantly. This was his way of dealing with his thoughts. He was just being a personality. And Axl Rose is a complete idiot, to suggest he is a better man than Kurt is ludicrous. Just because Axl is still alive doesn't give him the upper hand, it just means he's got more time to do silly things, like sack his band. Anyway...

I'd hope most of you would have heard of a footballer called Paul Gascoigne. I recently read his autobiography, and he suffered form very bad depression, alcoholism, compulsive obsessive dissorder, had many many twitches etc. As a child, his dad was very ill and this scarred him, he witnessed a few friends of his, at varied ages, die before him (car accidents etc). All this scarred him, as he blamed himself. His footballing injuries left him isolated though which he turned to alcohol to remedy his problems. COnstant spending of his money, problems with his wife and the inability to admit his problems to anyone didn't help him at all. Does this make him a better or worse person than Kurt? Paul felt some similar feelings to Kurt, but obviously different situations caused these. The main different is, although Gazza thought about suicide, he thought it perhaps too selfish. Now, Paul used his football (much like Freddie his music) to try and live his life. Would you honestly say Paul Gascoigne would have been any less a man if he would have ended his life? Or would he have just done it to get out of his problems?