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Posted: 21 Apr 05, 00:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I want to know if there is a technical "name" given to the guitar part that starts at 2.53 on "I Was Born To Love You" off the MIH album. Not a name that Queen or Brian gave to it...but for some reason I really like the sound of that part. I have absolutely no musical talent so I wouldn't have a clue if it does or does not have a technical name.

I'm sure some of you guitar players can enlighten me right?

Thanks! :)


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Posted: 21 Apr 05, 03:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It is called 'Straddling The Ooplegrinder', first used by Bo Diddley in the little known 50s swinger 'Pa Was A Mother****** (and Uncle Kenny too)'.

Brian was ordered to pay Mr. Diddly 19p for pinching the manouevre but steadfastly refused, and can often be found hiding behind the couch whenever Bo calls to collect his money.


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Posted: 21 Apr 05, 03:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sounds like possibly some two handed tapping, along with some cool stereo effects.........very nice guitar part indeed! I hadnt listened to that one in a while :)


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Posted: 21 Apr 05, 07:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

two hand tapping, and it's in harmony with another two hand tapping part


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Posted: 21 Apr 05, 08:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Neat! Thanks! Does Metallica do that two handed tapping a lot? I seem to remember hearing that a lot on many of their albums. For some reason it catches my ear.


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Posted: 22 Apr 05, 03:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Metallica didnt do that alot that I can think of at the moment......Eddie Van Halen was really the one that made that famous......tho Brian was doing it (a little bit of it) before he was.....on record (It's Late)....

And I remember that you can see him doing a slight bit of it at the end of the BoRhap video.....

What I wonder, though......was Brian one of the first rock guitar players to use "Drop D" tuning? I know he was doing that at least as early as '75....on The Prophets Song (at least according to the Night At The Opera guitar tab book I have)....and on a few other songs as well.....FBG, White Man, Headlong....

I know open tunings have been around for ages, but I dont think I've heard of many other guys from the 70s that used Drop D....


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Posted: 22 Apr 05, 09:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Brian isn't using tapping at the end of the Bo Rhap video!

Often when he wants to get a sweeter, smoother and more mellow tone from the Red Special he forgoes the use of his sixpence and just 'plucks' the string with his index finger.

And to make the sound that bit more mellow he plucks the stringer nearer to, and sometimes above, the fretboard. Because of the action of the plucking, and its location above the fretboard, it may look ever-so-slightly like tapping, but it definitely isn't.

And I very much doubt that Bri was one of the first to use Drop-D. In styles outside of rock, altered tunings, most probably including Drop-D, originated quite a bit earlier than 1975.

There's Drop-D on Tenement Funster and Procession anyway, from 1974.



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Posted: 22 Apr 05, 09:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

This is all very interesting to me. Is this tapping considered a difficult thing to do? I have no concept of what makes a guitar solo appealing to a trained ear. I just like it bc it sounds neat but as a trained guitar player, what intrigues you? I asked on here once before which of Brian's guitar solos was the most difficult. I think most people thought Invisible Man. Of course I can't comment on it, I can only say what I like the sound of and I LOVE the solo in IWBTLY off MIH. LUUURVE IT!! It's not the only one I like but when it comes on I turn the volume up as loud as I can stand!!!!


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Posted: 22 Apr 05, 10:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

To answer questions above:

Metallica used alot more two hand tapping in the 1980's....

For example: The beginning to the solo for 1988's "One" used two hand tapping with Hammett using the edge of his pick to tap the 19th and 20th frets of the high E and B strings while freting in the 12th and 13th positions 1 and a half steps.

Two hand tapping is a technique that sounds alot more impressive than it actually is.

You can hear Brian using it exclusively in the solo for "One Vision".

While Eddie Van Halen wasn't the first to use two hand tapping, he was the first to bring it to the for-front, and turn it into a technique that is widely used.... very few however, have ever managed to use it quite as fluidly as EVH I must say...

In the 80's, guitarist like Kirk Hammett and CC Deville would almost announce "Ok, get ready to strap on your diaper and be impressed...I'm about to "two hand tap"....

Where guitar virtuoso's such as EVH and Steve Vai would simple play it on the fly, as part of their playing, and not really make a big production of it.

Many of my guitar students can two hand tap at a intermediate level with 2 solid weeks of quality practice, giving that they are a somewhat advanced beginner player with some experience.




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Posted: 22 Apr 05, 10:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The King Of Rhye wrote:

I know open tunings have been around for ages, but I dont think I've heard of many other guys from the 70s that used Drop D....


Jimmy Page was using obscure guitar tunings as early as 1968, on Black Mountain Side... the DADGAD tuning. Perhaps he was doing it earlier than '68, but I don't know the Yardbirds material very well. Nonetheless, surely there were players doing this kind of thing before Page, as Page wasn't so much an innovator, but one who furthered other people's ideas.

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This is all very interesting to me. Is this tapping considered a difficult thing to do? I have no concept of what makes a guitar solo appealing to a trained ear.


Tapping is definitely difficult the first time you try it, but once you build the finger strength, it's no problem! Bending strings and tapping - that can get challenging. Actually, Eddie Van Halen once said he had trouble tapping like Brian in It's Late (because it involved bending), and Brian once said he had trouble tapping the way Eddie does!

Simply put, different kinds of solos appeal to different ears, trained or not! No two musicians or music fans have identical tastes.



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Posted: 22 Apr 05, 10:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well Melissa....we meant to say that tapping is not so difficult when you have a certain idea of where to put fingers on the guitar. You just need to practice a lot.

The strong point for Brian is that he can arrange his guitar as it was an orchestra

listen to the short song "spanish fly" from van halen, and you'll hear some stunning tapping (and a general stunning technique)

it's good that you have a weak point on guitarists.... =))


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Posted: 22 Apr 05, 11:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

LOL...I guess I do have a weakness for them Lorenzo! I definitly do for YOU!!!!

Even though as Sir GH stated, no two musicians or fans will have the same tastes...I'm still interested in what the majority of Queen fans/guitarists think is one of the more difficult solos. I know it might be an invalid question as one technique might come easy to one guitarist and might be impossible to perfect for another. I wonder what Brian would quote as the most challenging solo for him in a Queen song. I emailed him and asked him but never got a reply.


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Posted: 22 Apr 05, 12:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Didnt he say something about the three part run he did at the end of the Bo Rhap rock solo being a bit challenging live?


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Posted: 22 Apr 05, 20:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Last October I learned this solo (IWBTLY) for an engagement party. That part of tapping is relatively easy, even for me, someone who ain't that good at tapping. But yes, Brian does some nice little harmony and mini-delays to make a great sound. Anyway, while I learned it, I never finished the backing track and so didn't get to perform it. :(

I still have it backed up somewhere. Is this something people would like to hear on the Stage Of Champions? I thought I'd better ask cause I'd feel more into doing it, then.

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Posted: 23 Apr 05, 10:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

YES!!!

Thanks Adam!!


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Posted: 23 Apr 05, 10:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I have no idea what anyone's talking about!!!
(ha ha)I know nothing about guitars!

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Posted: 23 Apr 05, 12:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think the best tapping Brian did was on Ressurection

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Posted: 23 Apr 05, 15:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

So, that's a vote for getting my bum in gear to finish it? If so, then, yaay!

We'll see about something happening before the end of next month.

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