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Posted: 29 Apr 05, 15:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi folks

Rather than choosing the easy way and request / beg / demand, try to find other Queen fans and trade concerts.

Its easy!

Let me give you a real example. Last weekend, a fan from Spain wanted bootlegs from the current Tour. We agreed a deal. I would send him about 12 discs and the 46664 DVD. I needed shows from various years - and so we traded.

It cost me about £1-90 to post the discs to Spain
(not a lot really - enough to buy Fish and Chips)

The best Bit: We had receieved each others discs within 5 days!

Cheap, quick, easy and you make friends too.

I can now add another good contact to my list and we'll trade again soon.

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Posted: 29 Apr 05, 17:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

How long would it have taken for me to download 6 concerts in flac?

It took less than 5 days for 12 discs to arrive from Spain.

"Cheap, quick, easy and you make friends too."

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Posted: 29 Apr 05, 17:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'm trading 2 DVD's with a guy named Roger (not Roger Taylor, sorry!), because he has videos I want.

It's sometimes easier to trade than to be frustrated with no downloads available for that particular item (or if the item is no longer in shops, etc.)

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Posted: 29 Apr 05, 19:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"So, for me the best option is downloading.

And it's already the 21th Century, the Post Services are more and more old-fashioned, the Internet is the future. We can't fight against it"

would have to agree with you there. south america seems to be a no go area for many traders. couple of guys I know have had packages "lost" over there.

Does South America deserve that repuation?


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Posted: 29 Apr 05, 19:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I was going to do a trade with that particular Spanish gentleman you speak of, but you beat me to it :) It doesn't help when I am in Australia.

Does anyone down under need any 2005 tour concerts to trade for good quality Queen concerts from yesteryear?

I like trades, it's just difficult to find anyone who wants what I have.


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Posted: 30 Apr 05, 13:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

In the 80's and early 90's I traded concerts through the mail, amassing thousands of hours of bootlegs on cassette. The internet was virtually unknown and many of my contacts came through notice pages in magazines and then word of mouth. These days downloading is fairly easy, and rewarding considering how little work is involved.

On the other hand I still make the occasional trade via post and there is nothing that beats the excitement of a brand new package in your mailbox. Sometimes traders will add personal touches and letters to the mix.

So yes, trading is a viable alternative and will be long after bootleg sites are shut down.

Rob


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Posted: 01 May 05, 04:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Agneepath! wrote:

How long would it have taken for me to download 6 concerts in flac?

It took less than 5 days for 12 discs to arrive from Spain.

"Cheap, quick, easy and you make friends too."


exactly.....

If anyone UK based is interested in a trade, feel free to email me: christopher_mason_17@hotmail.com

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Posted: 01 May 05, 12:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The trading alternative is the hub. My experience with running a bootleg tree:

5-10 % of packages are lost or broken.

International shipments average 3 weeks.

Trading on the hub is quick, modern, streamlined and easy.


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Posted: 01 May 05, 16:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

i don't think it works
some people are a little too conceited and smug for their own good!

the whole "i've got houston, and i ain't sharing it" attitude really sucks. no-one is asking those that have a complete houston to just "give it away"

but i offered the best part of 20gb of queen concerts to anyone who could do me houston 77, liverpool 73 and golders green 73 (all complete)

and i got one taker - who has since not followed up his initial interest
it would appear that these three concerst are perhaps holding too much currency around here - let's face it - you buy ONE CD from a fair and you won't trade it for 20gb of more concerts? bizarre!!! let's face it - to buy 20gb of concerst will cost a darn sight more


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Posted: 01 May 05, 23:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<B><font color=#ff7f00>Brenski</b> wrote:


but i offered the best part of 20gb of queen concerts to anyone who could do me houston 77, liverpool 73 and golders green 73 (all complete)


Since you acknowledge that your 20GB came from the hub, is it not fair to assume that any collector who has those 3 shows would also have most of your 20GB?

I don't think that is fair to blame collectors like you do.



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Posted: 01 May 05, 23:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Rafael Moreira™ wrote:


Finally someone believes me!
South America is HORRIBLE for trading!
Too expensive, too slow...

And if I'm going to receive something from another country, the government can simply "steal" it and give it to its owner only if the owner accepts to pay an tax. They choose the packages randomly.

That's why I prefer downloading than trading. And soon the connections will be so fast that people will be able to e-mail their video bootlegs, I can bet all my collection that the most of you will see it happening before we die. It already happens in some universities in the USA, doesn't it? ;-)


You prefer downloading because it requires nothing from you.

Your excuses toward trading - poor postal systems, takes too long, government theft - may be legitimate, but that does not mean you can't trade. Many users trade online, through such things as MSN, so what's your excuse now?

All I hear from you, Rafael, are excuses as to why you can't do something, yet I don't hear any offers for you to share. Ask all you want, but why should people listen if you don't help out yourself.


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Posted: 02 May 05, 02:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Yeah, through T-carriers...but they will be a long time from being available to Joe-Blow and certainly won't be cheap. T5 can transfer approx. 400 mb per second.


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Posted: 02 May 05, 02:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

iGSM wrote:

T5 can transfer approx. 400 mb per second.


Whoahhh.. Smoking!!


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Posted: 02 May 05, 03:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

it would still be rare
there ain't many people out there with 20gb of live gigs to trade

i've also got about another 10 gb of studio rare - ie outtakes, bbc, de lane lea, and other oddities

you're nota talking about thousands of people trading 20gb - just a handful - that means it remains rare


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Posted: 02 May 05, 10:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mr. X wrote:

is the stuff mp3-sourced?

about50%



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Posted: 02 May 05, 12:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Rip Van Winkle wrote:


5-10 % of packages are lost or broken.

Maybe you are unable to make a nice package that survives transport I don´t know. My own experience is totally different. I´ve never lost any package and I´ve never received any broken discs from a trader nor have I ever received complaints that the discs I sent have arrived damaged. Never.

Rip Van Winkle wrote:

International shipments average 3 weeks

That is simply not true. I live in Germany, from here to the U.S it takes 5-7 days, to most other European countries 2-4 days. I´ve sent out packages to Japan, Australia and Brazil and it never took more than 2 weeks, in most cases the discs arrived significantly earlier. I don´t think the differences to other European postal services are great.

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Posted: 02 May 05, 14:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I read plenty, Rafael, but it's all the same.

Rafael Moreira™ wrote:


You should read more before saying shit. If you had read other topids you'd know that my broadband began to work this friday, but the network isn't set yet, so I'm on my dad's computer, which has only gigs that I've downloaded this weekend and are still available on QZ, and that I'm gonna upload Tokyo 9th May 1985 on RapidShare for anyone who wants when my network is working perfectly, which may take a few days.


That paragraph alone has three excuses (plus the insult). Stop making excuses for yourself and start doing something about it. If you want to trade, then either send through the mail (amazing how many other people actually do it) or trade online. Your computer and network not up to the task? Then wait.

But all I see on QZ are your excuses intermixed with requests for material. I gave you suggestions on how to trade, but it seems you are the one who should read more, Rafael.




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Posted: 02 May 05, 15:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<B><font color=#ff7f00>Brenski</B> wrote:

it would still be rare
there ain't many people out there with 20gb of live gigs to trade

i've also got about another 10 gb of studio rare - ie outtakes, bbc, de lane lea, and other oddities

you're nota talking about thousands of people trading 20gb - just a handful - that means it remains rare


20gb, that are about 30 concerts in flac. Pffff i think there are a plenty off people who own more than 30 concerts. Even I own more than 30 concerts. And I`m collecting for an half year now.

Mr.X., what is also rare. I know that for example Housten and Drammen are rare. Could you mention more examples.

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Posted: 02 May 05, 15:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Rafael Moreira™ wrote:


Would YOU trade your "rarities" with someone who only has mp3 to offer?


That's not the point (really, re-read my posts). There are many other posters on QZ who are in the same situation as you. Try finding them and working out trades. Maybe they have stuff you don't have, and vice versa.

Rafael Moreira™ wrote:


Anyway, this section is called "Sharing the Music - Request", so it's made to request.


And this thread it titled "The Alternative is ... Trading." And it's made to give advice on trading (fancy that). You complained as to why you can't trade, I offered alternatives to your excuses.

Rafael Moreira™ wrote:


If you haven't been damaged, stop complaining and please leave me alone.


Interesting comment considering I never used profanity toward you.



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Posted: 02 May 05, 15:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I've traded for a while with over 200+ shows, Queen-Solo and about 50 for LZ, a pretty nice size collection( comparable to MrScully's, enough to drive my wife insane with how much I have)
for this tour I prefer MP3, it's a nice tour, good to hear the songs, but nothing to get over excited about, I never complain about the qauilty of these shows
while trading is nice when you want so much, but for a few casual shows, d/l is the nice option


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