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Posted: 16 May 05, 13:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The Current May 19th issue of Rolling Stone Magazine with Orlando Bloom on the cover, once again takes nasty aim at Queen, and Freddie as well.

Page 38 has a scathing indictment of the New Pope's denouncement of Rock & Roll, which actually is on spot and fine and with which I agree.

But, through the course of the article, in discussing the artists that The New Pope denounced, Rolling Stone Magazine seems to take immense sarcastic pleasure in using it as an open opportunity to insult and slap Queen & Freddie in the face.

Here's the quote...

"The new Pope Benedict XVI has been denouncing rock for years. In 1996, he gave a sermon in
St. Peter's Square warning of "satanic messages", singling out depraved characters such as
Queen, the Beatles, the Stones, and EVEN the Eagles. Doesn't he realize there is a serious spiritual message in Queen hits like "Get Down Make Love" with eucharistic resonances in the lines "I suck your mind/You blow my head."

The article goes on to say, quote,

"Ratzinger (The New Pope) was the top Vatican commando under Pope John Paul II, where he earned a reputation as a hatchet man, smacking down any hint of disobedience like Freddie Mercury using a riding crop on the new Moroccan pool boy."

If you read the entire article, other than referring to the other artists the New Pope singles out in the New Pope's denouncement of R&R, being The Beatles, the Stones, and the Eagles..there are NO other mentions about ANY of these other artists and RS uses these artists strictly within the ACTUAL denouncement reference that the NEW Pope made, ONLY.

You will note though, that Rolling Stone adds their little and "EVEN" the Eagles. (The Eagles are critical darling favorites of RS so I noticed right away that RS added in the italicized "EVEN" as if to say How dare the Pope rag on and denounce one of Rolling Stone's babies!

Then, of all the artists above, all who had ruder, certainly more "evil" lyrics and tunes,...


(Think of The Eagles "Witchy Woman" glorifying a female drug dealer, "Life In The Fast Lane", "Hotel California", etc,),...

...(WORST of all---think of The Rolling Stones' "Sympathy For The Devil"...of ALL songs for crying out loud!!!! or "Under My Thumb"),

(think the Beatles' "Helter Skelter", etc).

Rolling Stone Magazine makes NO reference AT ALL to ANY of these other artists' "evil" lyrics or deeds.

But....who does Rolling Stone Magazine pick for a song and lyrics, in a very sarcasticly worded insulting "joke"? ha ha NOT!...Queen!

Then...with the reference to The New Pope's hardline tactics..where does Rolling Stone Magazine get off making a nasty sexual, gay bashing joke about Freddie? (The "smacking down any hint of disobedience like Freddie Mercury using a riding crop on the new Moroccan pool boy.") remark.

I was LIVID when I read this! Why does RS constantly rag On Queen...geez louise.

BTW....I am from the USA and I am proud to say..I HATE The EAGLES, always have, always will! Glenn Frey And Don Henley write the most self indulgent corporate crap quasi country excuse for rock I've ever heard. And I HATE Frey's voice it sucks! The only decent thing about that band is Joe Walsh's guitar playing.


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Posted: 16 May 05, 13:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Arlene R. Weiss wrote:


You will note though, that Rolling Stone adds their little and "EVEN" the Eagles. (The Eagles are critical darling favorites of RS so I noticed right away that RS added in the italicized "EVEN" as if to say How dare the Pope rag on and denounce one of Rolling Stone's babies!


That's not how I read that comment. I think RS is saying "even The Eagles, who have never caused any public hystreria and critical outcry that the other bands have." California Rock is, after all, the definition of innocuous, Hotel California be damned. No writer would switch from condemnation to such obvious sarcasm as that paragraph clearly does.

And besides, why even read Rolling Stone at this point? We know they hate Queen, we know they have always hated Queen, and we know they will always hate Queen. I find that by not reading RS, I enjoy music a lot more.


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Posted: 16 May 05, 13:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Zeni wrote:

Arlene R. Weiss wrote:


You will note though, that Rolling Stone adds their little and "EVEN" the Eagles. (The Eagles are critical darling favorites of RS so I noticed right away that RS added in the italicized "EVEN" as if to say How dare the Pope rag on and denounce one of Rolling Stone's babies!


That's not how I read that comment. I think RS is saying "even The Eagles, who have never caused any public hystreria and critical outcry that the other bands have." California Rock is, after all, the definition of innocuous, Hotel California be damned. No writer would switch from condemnation to such obvious sarcasm as that paragraph clearly does.

And besides, why even read Rolling Stone at this point? We know they hate Queen, we know they have always hated Queen, and we know they will always hate Queen. I find that by not reading RS, I enjoy music a lot more.


What about RS's gay bashing "joke" about Freddie? If that's not sarcasm and an insult I don't know what is.


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Posted: 16 May 05, 13:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Rolling Stone pretty much, save for older reporters like David Fricke Anthony DeCurtis and Kurt Loder, hate Pink Floyd as well. Most of their new incompetent reviewers would give any post-Waters album two stars or less. Rolling Stone has given Britney Spears 3 stars or better and the same with phlEghMINEM(a/k/a rap's Porky Pig).


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Posted: 16 May 05, 13:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The new Pope probably hates Pink Floyd for the parody of one of the bible's psalms in Sheep. The new Pope looks like a crime lord.


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Posted: 16 May 05, 13:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Extra extra, Rolling Stone hates Queen. Also, Thomas Edison invents the light bulb! Read all about it - you heard it here first, folks!

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Posted: 16 May 05, 14:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Do you people (i.e. Lester Burnham, etc) never stop to consider whether or not anyone actually wants to read your bitchy little comments about perfectly good topics?


"I used to think the human brain was the most fascinating part of the body. But then I realized, Well... look what's telling me that!” -Emo Philips.

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Posted: 16 May 05, 15:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thunderbolt of God wrote:

Do you people (i.e. Lester Burnham, etc) never stop to consider whether or not anyone actually wants to read your bitchy little comments about perfectly good topics?


Never have, never will.


Although, if you want me to make a serious comment about this, ahem, perfectly good topic, then here it is. Stop wasting your time caring what a fucking rag has to say about your favorite band, because these people get paid to say whatever they want - good, bad, or downright ignorant. Rolling Stone has been a pile of shit for years, as it has now become fifty pages of trendy advertisements interspersed with political rantings and musings on how great the next flash-in-the-pan band is.

I can't help but laugh that people get so up-in-arms about whatever Rolling Stone says, as if it's the end-all be-all of music publications. They are allowed to voice their opinion, just as you are yours; but getting pissed off about it certainly won't help any, as I'm sure the editor of that piece won't sign on here (a closet Queen fan!) and look at this message, then suddenly say, "Hm, maybe Arlene was right." If you're really that irritated about it, send a letter to the editor - posting about it on a message board won't make a difference. But Queen has been susceptible to every criticism because they've done stuff differently over the years - just like every band worth its salt. I think Keith Moon once said something along the lines of, "If you're considered gods by the press, then you're in for trouble."

I also happen to agree about the 'Get Down, Make Love' part. First of all, it says a few things about the journalist: one, that he was able to quote such an obscure Queen song; and two, that he has a sense of humor about it. Where's the earth-shattering message in that song? I know Queen became masters of disposable pop, but 'Get Down, Make Love' isn't all that great of a song. Of course, it shouldn't be taken seriously, but neither should this journalist.

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Posted: 16 May 05, 15:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Freddie is still the only major rock star to have died of AIDS. His excesses, whether true or not are part of his public mythological persona now.

It's going to be hard for his memory to escape that stigma because rags like RS are always going to throw it up there. And self-righteous religious leaders are always going to use Freddie as an example of an immoral lifestyle leading to it's natural conclusion.

I wish it weren't true but that's the kind of insane world we live in.

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Posted: 16 May 05, 15:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Freddie is still the only major rock star to have died of AIDS. His excesses, whether true or not are part of his public mythological persona now.

It's going to hard for his memory to escape that stigma because rags like RS are always going to throw it up there. And self-righteous religeous
leaders are always going to use Freddie as an example of an immoral lifestyle leading to it's natural conclusion.

I wish it weren't true but that's the kind of world we live in.


Yes, but did you read my other examples of the other artists the Pope denounced, yet Rolling Stone didn't jump on those artists or use ANY of them or their songs as examples.

You want to talk debauchery, I mean I like The Rolling Stones, But Why didn't Rolling Stone Magazine bring up their umpteen drug busts and Keith Richards being the Heroin King, or the bands' famous arrest with was it an orgy of the entire band eating hash brownies out of Anita Pallenberg's er...brownie? which has been scandal for decades.

How about RS's precious Eagles' Glenn Frey had to have his entire inner nose tissue and bones rebuilt just so he could breathe because his years of MAJOR Truck load cocaine abuse literally destroyed the inside of his nose. The Eagles are also very outspoken for the gargantuan orgies they had with tons of women/groupies, coke, other drugs, etc. (all outlined as well in their music) and in graphic interviews which they LOVE to detail.

What about all the drugs the Beatles did and John Lennons' Gay/Bi whatever affair with their Manager Brian Epstein..when Lennon was marred t Cynthia Twist with his child Julien?

Why doesn't Rolling Stone Magazine bring any of that up? Give me a break. Most rock bands were as "debauched" if not MORE so than anything Queen ever did. RS just gets pleasure out of slamming Queen any chance it gets.

Oh....and as for gay bashing Freddie, which......Lester....RS Magazine had no business doing as that is not journalism, it had no business in the article...it is slanted BIGOTRY.....and...

......FYI.......ALL OF QZ READ THIS.........

......Jann Wenner, Publisher, Editor In Chief, Founder of Rolling Stone Magazine, OPENLY outed himself as GAY...several years ago, this after being "supposedly" happily married for 2 decades with children.

How dare RS Magazine Gay bash Freddie when its own Publisher, Jann Wenner is openly Gay...as are many of its writers too such as Anthony DeCurtis (who never outed himself, but his flamebouyance makes Freddie look like Mr. Macho man).

RS Magazine couldn't be more hypocritical (and trashlike) in this manner.


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Posted: 16 May 05, 15:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

So, what Arlene is trying to tell us is that RS (which I've never read cause they're musical incompetents) deserve to be burned in hell cause they hate Queen, but she might be some kind of hero cause she hates Eagles, satanized by her without any special reason.

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Posted: 16 May 05, 15:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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So, what Arlene is trying to tell us is that RS (which I've never read cause they're musical incompetents) deserve to be burned in hell cause they hate Queen, but she might be some kind of hero cause she hates Eagles, satanized by her without any special reason.


Dont you read?!!!!

Before you open your mouth and write what you know nothing about?

...I put in all my posts about the Eagles' debauchery in their own lives, as a band, and in their music. CAREFULLY read all my posts before you show your incompetency...as I DID DETAIL The Eagles excesses as people, as a band, and in their song lyrics. But since you are too lazy to read before you write I have reposted what I said about THE EAGLES BELOW!


How about RS's precious Eagles' Glenn Frey had to have his entire inner nose tissue and bones rebuilt with reconstructive surgery just so he could breathe because his years of MAJOR Truck load cocaine abuse literally destroyed the inside of his nose. The Eagles are also very outspoken, if not gleeful for the gargantuan orgies they had with tons of women/groupies, coke, other drugs, etc. (all outlined as well in their music) and in graphic interviews which they LOVE to detail.

What about their songs?(Think of The Eagles "Witchy Woman" glorifying a female drug dealer, "Life In The Fast Lane", "Hotel California", etc,),...

Hotel California was The Eagles' version of Queen's Jazz party..if not WORSE far more decadent and The Eagles glorifiied it!



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Posted: 16 May 05, 15:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Vad wrote:

So, what Arlene is trying to tell us is that RS (which I've never read cause they're musical incompetents) deserve to be burned in hell cause they hate Queen, but she might be some kind of hero cause she hates Eagles, satanized by her without any special reason.


LOL! Sorry Arlene, he's got you there. You are displaying nepotism. Just like Rolling Stone does.

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Posted: 16 May 05, 15:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Knute wrote:

Vad wrote:

So, what Arlene is trying to tell us is that RS (which I've never read cause they're musical incompetents) deserve to be burned in hell cause they hate Queen, but she might be some kind of hero cause she hates Eagles, satanized by her without any special reason.


LOL! Sorry Arlene, he's got you there. You are displaying nepotism. Just like Rolling Stone does.


I don't get you. Didn't you read my post above yours! The Eagles could TEACH and GIVE LESSONS to Queen on how to party, do drugs, and be debauched.


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Posted: 16 May 05, 15:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Arlene R. Weiss wrote:

Knute wrote:

Vad wrote:

So, what Arlene is trying to tell us is that RS (which I've never read cause they're musical incompetents) deserve to be burned in hell cause they hate Queen, but she might be some kind of hero cause she hates Eagles, satanized by her without any special reason.


LOL! Sorry Arlene, he's got you there. You are displaying nepotism. Just like Rolling Stone does.


I don't get you. Didn't you read my post above yours! The Eagles could TEACH and GIVE LESSONS to Queen on how to party, do drugs, and be debauched.

Yeah and GG Allin could take the Eagles to school on that stuff! So what?
They didn't say Freddie was a terrible person that
justified the Pope's inane ramblings. They're pointing out the silliness of it all by using dark humor.

Like I said, fair or not, Freddie has a stigma attached to him.
Did you read my post?

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Posted: 16 May 05, 15:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Knute wrote:

Arlene R. Weiss wrote:

Knute wrote:

Vad wrote:

So, what Arlene is trying to tell us is that RS (which I've never read cause they're musical incompetents) deserve to be burned in hell cause they hate Queen, but she might be some kind of hero cause she hates Eagles, satanized by her without any special reason.


LOL! Sorry Arlene, he's got you there. You are displaying nepotism. Just like Rolling Stone does.


I don't get you. Didn't you read my post above yours! The Eagles could TEACH and GIVE LESSONS to Queen on how to party, do drugs, and be debauched.

Yeah and GG Allin could take the Eagles to school on that stuff! So what?
They didn't say Freddie was a terrible person that
justified the Pope's inane ramblings. They're pointing out the silliness of it all by using dark humor.

Like I said, fair or not, Freddie has a stigma attached to him.
Did you read my post?


But...my point is that If Rolling Stone Magazine truly only meant it as a joke AT the new Pope, why did they not say ONE word about the other bands that The New Pope denounced, who DO have just as much STIGMA attached to them as well...and as I posted/said above...

...Get Down Make Love's lyrics....have NOTHING to do with RS Magazine's bitchy comment GAY bashing Freddie at ALL!

Also read where I said RS Publisher/Editor In Chieg Jann Wenner openly outed himself as GAY..so RS magazine is a bigoted HYPOCRITE. They just USED their (news article journalism) as a CLOUD to give them an open opportunity to slag/slam Queen.

Have you never heard of what is known about the evils of the press as "Wag The Dog". Using the cover of "true news" to instead say something unethical or slanted?

Go see Robert DeNiro and Dustin Hoffman in the scathing indictment of the press in the film Director Barry Levinson's satire, "Wag The Dog".

Your mouth will drop open. BTW..that was based on the Bill Clinton/Monica Lewinsky/war on Saddam Hussein.


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Posted: 16 May 05, 16:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:

I took the liberty of sending them an appropriately biting e-mail:

Rolling Stone, once heralded as one of the greatest music magazines in the world, now decayed and embittered, a pulpy mass of spite and hate spread under the guise of intelligent matter. Why does this seem vaguely reminiscent of Nazi propaganda magazine 'Der Sturmer'? Will you be adding cheap pornographic propaganda next?

RS presents us with it's absolutely charming music 'reviews'. My apologies for using the quotation marks, but I cannot bring myself to viewing these pieces of text as genuine reviews. Objectivity, an essential component of a review, is nowhere to be found; either RS likes you, and thus all your reviews are unimaginably kind and positive, or RS hates you, which happens in the majority of cases, and you will never see anything but subjective envy by the musically challenged (which seems to be the main criterion for getting a job as a reviewer for the RS) for a review of your latest album.

As if this Rupert Murdoch-type reviewing, usually named slanting, isn't enough, the RS can't resist slipping their bitter hate into other articles. Take, for instance, the RS' response to pope Benedict's pathetic remarks about 'Satanic' Rock & Roll. The RS cannot bear to go without slanting at least one of their most hated bands, in this case Queen, as often as possible. Interesting, that RS has to resort to cheap jokes, reminiscent of bad comedians making fun of their audiences in cheap joints (yes, 'cheap joints' is a hint at the state you are in now, RS!), to entertain the reader. Of course, this is the easiest way out when no person able to comment in a sensible way on events is present, which is, it is painfully obvious, the case.

Furthermore, RS does not bother to check their facts. 'Get Down Make Love' one of Queen's hits? Please, how ignorant must one be to say, let alone believe, that. Shouldn't a professional music magazine be aware that a song which was no crowd-favourite by a long run, and was not a single-release anywhere in the world was not a hit?

The level RS is at, at this time, is not even high enough to take too much notice of. In fact, the only two emotions in place when looking upon it's current state of decayed glory are pity and malicious joy. Because, in the end, RS is good for a cheap laugh, no more, no less. How ironic, isn't it? The fact that the type of humour you yourself employ as a means of entertaining the reader is what you are yourself a victim (or more appropriately: the subject) of.

Yours,

Caspar Mulders
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P.S.: I wonder if you even have the guts to respond to this message. Somehow I doubt it.


Thank you!

Read my post from above:

But...my point is that If Rolling Stone Magazine truly only meant it as a joke AT the new Pope, why did they not say ONE word about the other bands that The New Pope denounced, who DO have just as much STIGMA attached to them as well...and as I posted/said above...

...Get Down Make Love's lyrics....have NOTHING to do with RS Magazine's bitchy comment GAY bashing Freddie at ALL!

Also read where I said RS Publisher/Editor In Chief Jann Wenner openly outed himself as GAY..so RS magazine is a bigoted HYPOCRITE. They just USED their "news article journalism" as a CLOUD to give them an open opportunity to slag/slam Queen.

Have you never heard of what is known about the evils of the press as "Wag The Dog". Using the cover of "true news" to instead say something unethical or slanted?

Go see Robert DeNiro and Dustin Hoffman in the scathing indictment of the press in the film Director Barry Levinson's satire, "Wag The Dog".

Your mouth will drop open. BTW..that was based on the Bill Clinton/Monica Lewinsky/war on Saddam Hussein events.


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Posted: 16 May 05, 16:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

But here's where you and I disagree.


The Eagles do not have a detrimental stigma surrounding them.
Most people think the Eagles are as squeeky clean as Mickey Mouse's asshole. They're All American, Mom's apple pie in the public's eye. Freddie is percieved
as a promiscuous and charismatic gay performer who died of Aids.

Is this correct or not?

You or I know he was much more than that. But we are talking public perception. Hell, I didn't know Glen Frey had his nose reconstructed and I thought I knew a shitload of rock trivia.

In other words, they would have not used that Freddie/Morrocan pool boy joke if people weren't gonna get it.

Is it in bad taste? Yes perhaps, but we live in a tasteless society.

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Knute wrote:

But here's where you and I disagree.


The Eagles do not have a detrimental stigma surrounding them.
Most people think the Eagles are as squeeky clean as Mickey Mouse's asshole. They're All American, Mom's apple pie in the public's eye. Freddie is percieved
as a promiscuous and charismatic gay performer who dies of Aids.

Is this correct or not?

You or I know he was much more than that. But we are talking public perception. Hell, I didn't know Glen Frey had his nose reconstructed and I thought I knew a shitload of rock trivia.


Frey has been quite vocal about that surgery too. as well as he and Henley's partner in crime, Fleetwood Mac's Stevie Nicks...who also had her entire nose reconstructed with surgery and both she and Glenn Frey have Teflon coated METAL plates in their nose as their is NO cartilage left from all the cocaine abuse they both did, often together, as Nicks is friends with Frey and was lovers with Henley.

You say this is not public perception, but I have known all of this crap all my life and I'm 43. I never have understood why the USA embraced The Eagles & Fleetwood Mac as squeaky clean when as I said they could GIVE Queen lessons in debauchery, drugs, etc. you name it.


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