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Posted: 16 Jun 05, 15:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

has any1 else noticed that any queen songs that appear on complilation cd's tend now to be wtitten by brian may? the current ones available for father's day hav we will rock you and fat bottomed girls the ones on the air guitar albums were tie your mother down and hammer to fall and the single from the new QPR album is reportedly fat bottomed girls/tie your mother down. Add this to brian's quote that bohemian rhapsody wasn't queens turning point!! is brian tryin to get the queen spotlight firmly on him??

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Posted: 16 Jun 05, 15:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What do you mean "trying"? I adore Brian, but since Freddie passed on, Queen is now the history according to Brian.

I don't know if I would say Brian is financially greedy thought...but he is somewhat attention needy/greedy.

His ego knows has no match. His soapbox is often prrof of how self absorbed he can be and I think he can't bear not being in the spotlight for a minute. (not the literal spotlight, I meant getting validation and attention from the fans).

Not that there's anything wrong with that...as long as, as much emphasis is placed on Freddie, Roger, and John, and their contributions and merits to the history (and released works/projects) of Queen.

In Brian's defense though, I must say I am very surprised (in a good way) that he let both Roger and Paul Rodgers pretty much equally have their own creative input and say and perform their songs, etc. on the current tour.


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Posted: 16 Jun 05, 15:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Most of Queen's hard rocking songs were written by Brian, thats why they appear on rock compilations.

I haven't heard him say that Bo Rhap wasn't the turning point. I doubt that he did say it, but, if he did, its probably because he is sick of talking about that ONE damn song.


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Posted: 16 Jun 05, 15:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

he said it in the uncut special from a few months ago. im not critisizing brian as such jus wondered what people thought.


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Posted: 16 Jun 05, 15:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

When I listened to Westwood One's 1984 interview with Freddie, even HE said he was tired of talking about "BoRhap" or any song from a past time period.

Freddie said that whatever music Queen did (Notice I said DID as in past tense), was just that "did", in the past, and all well and good, but Freddie wanted to talk about current and new music, trends, and Queen's new music, and how they were constantly evolving and incorporating new styles of music into their own music.

I also watched an interview with Freddie where he said the same thing, in a clip from a 1991 Hollywood Records documentary.


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Posted: 16 Jun 05, 16:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

whether or not they are fed up of it is irrelevant. whether its their best song is too. it was the turning point surely?


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Posted: 16 Jun 05, 16:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I read that word for word, and alot of people misquoted that or took it out of context.

I WILL applaud Brian for that. He said soemthing to the effect that it was a milestone, BUT for Queen it was only one of MANY milestones (songs) because (like Freddie had said, see my above post), Queen saw themselves as ONGOING evolving music innovaters, expeimenting with music and enjoying many more future songs that they wrote, that in THEIR eyes, were all equally important to them.

You MUST put yourself in the shoes of an artist, who creates and wants to evolve...

...and remove yourself from being in the shoes of a FAN.

Fans..tend to look, with most music artists or say actors or directors...to ONE specific song, film, that broke the mold and FIRST broke ground for that artist and got them noticed and pushed htem on to future work, projects, success.

But...from the perspective of most artists, they HATE when fans do that. The artist is NOT downplaying that FIRST groundbreaking, song, or film, etc. that made them stars and was pioneering.

But the artist wants to feel that they are ALWAYS, CONTINUOUSLY breaking new ground, and creating and bringing FRESH, NEW, INNOVATIVE...EQUALLY IMPORTANT projects to the table.

By the ARTIST'S perspective, the FAN is downplaying that the artist CAN do other, future, groundbreaking, innovative work, and is demeaning that future work by having tunnell vision and focusing on ONE song, film, etc...as THE BIBLE...and like all future creative works couldn't possibly be as important or creative...well to the ARTIST...they ARE.

THAT is what Brian intended with his words and the way I took it.

And fans really need to see things from an artist's viewpoint/perspective.


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Posted: 16 Jun 05, 16:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

i understand that view but when an artists career is over as queen's studio one is (queen with freddie anyway) they will be ultimately remembered by only a few of their songs and their first major international number 1 will be what is remembered mainly by most casual fans and in this respect this is bo rhap. i think for brian may to downplay it's importance is wrong he can still promote other queen milestones without diminishing one of freddie's masterpieces surely?


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Posted: 16 Jun 05, 16:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

He Didn't dimish it. As I remember (I have that Uncut in my room), he said something to the effect of that it was a milestone, BUT that Queen had Many, Many milestones..reiterating what I said he meant above.

Again, you are thinking as a fan, and debating as one.

Brian is thinking as an artist, and debating as one.

2 entirely different angles/perspectives...of looking at it.

Again for an artist..YOU would be downplaying the other works and seeing in tunnell vision. That BoRhap is their INFINITE milestone.

To Brian, to Freddie, to Roger, and to John, it was an improtant song, that ALLOWED them to CREATE, what is to them, other EQUALLY significant, artistic milestones.

Most artists like to think of ALL their work as very personal artistic statements, each of EQUAL merit and worth.

You probably cannot see their viewpoint...but it is a valid one.

And again, they would view your viewpoint as demeaning to their other work/music/songs.

Nothing personal.

It's a matter of perspective..and you see from yours, the artists' see from theirs.


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Posted: 16 Jun 05, 16:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

what would you consider to be an equally significant milestone in queen's recording career
this is not a sarcastic arsey question its a genuine question for me possibilities could be
wwry/watc
the game for its impact in the usa
innuendo (the album)

but i still dont no if they are bigger than bo rhap


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Posted: 16 Jun 05, 17:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

As a FAN, I would yes, say BoRhap,...

...but since I DO put myself in their shoes..I would NOT pinpoint any song or album or period as more pivotal than another.

To Brian, Roger, Freddie, & John, Every song, year, album, period, (yes for them even "Hot Space") were all of equal artistic and influential merit, and each showed...to them, their evolution as artists.

This owuld ALSO include to each one of them, their solo works...because again as artists, that informed and influenced their growth in Queen.

So to them, their solo work had probably had its place and own merit..in each artists' artistic growth, evolution, expeimentation, and made them better artists in Queen.


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Posted: 16 Jun 05, 18:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

we're getting back to the point i made a couple of months ago - after the magazine article

i said i thought bri was belitting bo-rhap and maybe trying to rewrite hsitory

i think i coulda been right

let's face a few facts (again) - bo-rhap was THE turning point - the band were skint, and they decided not to edit it down for radio,,,,this gamble could've backfired - and queen could've been a much smaller band had this bene the case

bo rhap was a success- the gamble paid off - and this was the key point in queen history - from here on in they made more money - new contracts - and had more money to invest in overseas deals - bo-rhap was the turning point - for a young talented, starving band - being paid £50 a week by their "management"


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Posted: 16 Jun 05, 19:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:

we're getting back to the point i made a couple of months ago - after the magazine article

i said i thought bri was belitting bo-rhap and maybe trying to rewrite hsitory

i think i coulda been right

let's face a few facts (again) - bo-rhap was THE turning point - the band were skint, and they decided not to edit it down for radio,,,,this gamble could've backfired - and queen could've been a much smaller band had this bene the case

bo rhap was a success- the gamble paid off - and this was the key point in queen history - from here on in they made more money - new contracts - and had more money to invest in overseas deals - bo-rhap was the turning point - for a young talented, starving band - being paid £50 a week by their "management"


Well..you can see how...Brian, Freddie, Roger, & John could look at this from various points.

1) Artistic...again, it was defining..at THAT point in time, after all of the previous songs/albums/projects they had done. But again...they do not define their entire career, and music cataloge...SINCE that song was released, purely based on that one song.

To them, (YES FREDDIE SAID IT TOO) read my first post...that they viewed all their music as a NEW step, kind of up a staircase of growth/evolution, each song, album having merit and equal importane.

2) Business standpoint. Now THIS is something entirely different. The fans, radio, record industry, and worldwide audience came about and was truly established on the benchmark of and defined by..BoRhap's overwhelming success, (but in the creative way that it was done..but still combined art with commerce successfully)...

...which afforded Queen the business leverage and clout...to be ABLE to create other works of artistic importance to them. But without BoRhap...it's a fair given, that Queen would not have had the freedom, finances, and record/radio/concert tour promotional support needed to continue to make music.

...So from a business sense,..Oh YES, BoRhap was the Infinte milestone for Queen.

3) I also do NOT know what was going through Brian's mind when he said this (as none of us do).

Maybe I think he was acting for these semi/noble (artistic) reasons, as I know most artists DO feel this way, if so, then I applaud him.

However, if he did NOT intend his statement to mean this, and he was in fact doing his little
re-write of Queen history according to Brian...to puff his own ego, and take away from Freddie's song as the INFINITE artistic/songwriting success and achievement by Queen, just to stroke Brian's own ego...well then, I can understand that, but yes it would...

...SUCK.


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Posted: 16 Jun 05, 21:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Arlene R. Weiss wrote:

When I listened to Westwood One's 1984 interview with Freddie, even HE said he was tired of talking about "BoRhap" or any song from a past time period.

Freddie said that whatever music Queen did (Notice I said DID as in past tense), was just that "did", in the past, and all well and good, but Freddie wanted to talk about current and new music, trends, and Queen's new music, and how they were constantly evolving and incorporating new styles of music into their own music.

I also watched an interview with Freddie where he said the same thing, in a clip from a 1991 Hollywood Records documentary.


Arlene, there was an interview with Freddie from 1991 that you saw? Where did you find it?

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Posted: 17 Jun 05, 01:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

IMO Brian lives in the past, most of what he is doing now is what he did before and he wants to enjoy it the a 2nd time around as well. With No Freddie he felt he had to take lead, as we all know Roger or John would have not done it, and Brian wants to relive this, so IMO this is why he is doing it, not for money, but to feel like he did before.


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Posted: 17 Jun 05, 03:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I agree.

If you enjoy doing something (i.e. touring) why not continue as long as possible.


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Posted: 17 Jun 05, 04:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Returning to gazfred's original point: "...queen songs that appear on complilation cd's tend now to be wtitten by brian may?"

Aren't we not all overlooking the simple fact that Brian does not control or choose the tracks for these compilations - and that some other external body does this instead?

Remember music is big business, and the whole point of EMI (or whoever) is to sell as many units as possible, and if the addition of "Bo Rhap" was guaranteed to sell 10,000 extra copies, you bet your sweet buns it would be included!

A point in case: Gazfred - "current ones available for father's day hav we will rock you and fat bottomed girls the ones on the air guitar albums were tie your mother down and hammer to fall"

I see no Bites The Dust, Pressure, Ga Ga or Break Free, (to name a few) but looking at the other tracks on these discs, the above do not fit in alongside the likes of other artists like Boston, U2 or Free.

By all means our Bri can be a bit grumpy, and he can be also be very "pushy" of bhm product, but, is he really to blame this time around?



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Posted: 17 Jun 05, 08:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

scott_mercury i did not ask this question to divide queen fans. i merely asked people to comment on it some seem to see the point i made others have put valid arguments against it. i dont see the problem

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Posted: 17 Jun 05, 08:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Man you people are too much!

Yeah Arlene I do agree that Brian is self-absorbed but then he had to have been in order to become what he is now.

I wish I had his determiniation and drive...Queen are self-absorbed but then so is every celebrity I have ever met to some extent.

Ok Brian is greedy where his music and investments are concern so would we be if we had the money or talent.

Don't get me wrong...sometimes good old Bri can make mountains out of utter molehills...he does go overboard quite alot.

But thats his way...

Roger is just the opposite and from those who know them really love them the way they are...

Kriz ;o)


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