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Posted: 21 Jun 05, 16:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

A person called Gerolamo recently seeded two concerts he downloaded from Queenzone on Dimeadozen.org

Life Is Real and
Standing On The Arena

Both concerts were donated by an un-named QZ member who wanted to support Richard's sharing project. He did NOT want to support the trading website of Mr. Gerolamo. Of course it's cool to seed the shows on DAD, that's not a problem. It's just bad style to seed this downloaded concerts and pretend they come from the same Dutch website we all saw here being promoted ad nauseum. It would be decent to credit Queenzone like people here credit Dimeadozen when they seed an original DAD torrent.


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Posted: 21 Jun 05, 17:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I was told about this in a comment on DAD, and i apologised for not crediting the original provider. Therefore I apologise again, next time I will.

Second of all... The people here are way more ungrateful for all the stuff I uploaded and there people just respond more polite. That's why I uploaded them there.

Third comes the fact that people are telling me that I post the stuff for promoting of my website. How on this (censored) planet can somebody think that. That's just so wrong I didn't promote it.

I just wanted to share it to more people, and I was wrong by not promoting Queenzone and "be grateful" to someone who provided it to the poster on Queenzone (where the people are too lazy to say "Thank you" to me).

So I was wrong, yes. But the people are more wrong about me. They don't know me, I apologised. If you want me I can and will edit the post but I cannot turn back time.

That's about all I want to say about this matter.

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Posted: 21 Jun 05, 17:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Posted: 21 Jun 05, 18:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Tune in next week for more of the same.


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Posted: 21 Jun 05, 18:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

A few thoughts from me.

1) This ’obsession’ with waiting for ’thank yous’ made me think, about how would look thread with 600 or 700 torrent downloads, where every downloader will be ’decent’ and thanks. Such thread would be for nothing good, and if there'd be any useful information, it'd be lost amongs ’nice’, but useless thanks.

I did torrent a few things here (not that they were something special) and always looked at that people, who thanks me, like if they are the sample of all those satisfied ones with such torrent. It was enough for me (together with number of downloads).

It is lack of seeders sometimes, what makes me sad, not the absence of thank yous.

2) If do somebody wants politeness from other people, he must be polite himself. Here I can see Gerolamo's main mistake (you want thanks from people here, but don't behave the same way to the original seeder, if you open such torrent on DAD).

OK, don't write, you already apologized in second post. I know it, I read it and I appreciate it (you couldn't do more). These was only a few ’post’ thoughts about this.

Have a nice day. Libor.

PS. I don't see anything wrong with seeding torrents from QZ on DAD too. It's OK and could help another people to get the concert, they look for. From this angle of view Gerolamo surely did good thing.


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Posted: 21 Jun 05, 19:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I agree with what Libor said. I don't want any thanks for the shows that I uploaded. Frankly I don't give a toss whether anyone thanks me or not. I just want people to share what they have with the rest of us.

If you're a Rapidshare user, the best way to thank people for their uploads is to upload your shows.

If you're a torrent user the best way to thank everyone else is to seed and reseed when requested. That's the reason I stopped downloading from torents - because for some reason I can't seed.

Or, to put it in simple terms: Actions speak louder than words.

V.



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Posted: 21 Jun 05, 19:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Libor2 wrote:


PS. I don't see anything wrong with seeding torrents from QZ on DAD too. It's OK and could help another people to get the concert, they look for. From this angle of view Gerolamo surely did good thing.


You're right, but the original post on DAD did more to credit Dutch traders than QZ or the original seeder.

I don't have a problem with sharing material you got for free off of QZ, but it's polite to acknowledge where the you got the stuff, and to not use it to promote some trader's website.

Gerolamo seems to have realized this and changed things accordingly.


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Posted: 21 Jun 05, 20:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I wasn't last two days on DAD Zeni, so I couldn't judge it from this position. Maybe I could wrote: ’if credits go to the right side (QZ here), then it's OK to seed torrent on DAD’, but I hope, from my post it was clear, what I wanted to express.


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Posted: 21 Jun 05, 21:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Is crediting Queenzone or the Queenhub enough? In many cases I am not sure where I downloaded something from. Should I not share if I can not recall the source? Seems silly.

Of course, I do not know just how shameless the promotion of Breakthru Trading was. What exactly was proclaimed?

What was Don's previous user name, anyway?




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Posted: 22 Jun 05, 02:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It isn't about promoting what the fuck are you guys talking about????

And Rip van Winkle why don't you just ask me? Afraid I won't tell? I'm not the scared bastard as you guys think I am. Previous name was Rev.

Are all you guys just stupid???

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Posted: 22 Jun 05, 02:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Ðon Gerolamo wrote:

It isn't about promoting what the fuck are you guys talking about????

And Rip van Winkle why don't you just ask me? Afraid I won't tell? I'm not the scared bastard as you guys think I am. Previous name was Rev.

Are all you guys just stupid???


Calm down. There's no need to call anyone stupid or to curse at us. No one has called you a scared bastard, nor has this thread labelled you a cheat.

Your first post on DAD did mention Breakthru-Trading, but not QZ. You asked users to visit your site, which could certainly give the impression to DAD users (who may not be familar with QZ at all) that the boot came from Breaktru and many more could be found there.

YV's point was just a reminder to be polite and acknowledge where some stuff came from. These two boots in question were shared here anonymously to help QZ, so referring to QZ when sharing on DAD would be a nice thing to do. It's quite common to do that on DAD (which I now see that you have done).

Also, I saw that several DAD users jumped on you regarding lineage and all that. Reserve the venom for them and not us.


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Posted: 22 Jun 05, 05:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I posted this because the original seeder complained about it. He never seeded a show and then posted here asking for "Thank you" posts. But he did not like it that the show was seeded on DAD without the slightest mention of the original seed - not because he himself needs the credit but because he is truly pissed off about Gerolamo making it look like the show comes from his trading page as a gift for the sharing community.

It's perfectly okay to seed QZ torrents on DAD and the other way round. It's also not necessary to credit anyone when you don't know where a show comes from. A lot of hub files are shared on DAD and QZ and it's impossible to know who brought the file into the hub.

Personally, I don't think it's cool to share something and then keep complaining that not enough people express their gratitude. I am more impressed by people who share and keep sharing when everybody else stops like for example Libor2 who always keeps reseeding or bokkepoot who has done that much for the hub for a long time now and never gets impatient with all the trouble or Rip Van Winkle who spent months to finish the bootleg tree with not a single leaf left. Or Rien or many others whose names are only known in the hub. None of them ever complained about lack of gratitude. I can understand that the "mystery man" got annoyed about Gerolamo, who makes a fuss about what he has shared but does not even give credit when he seeds an unchanged torrent.

As to Gerolamo who says he does not promote his website, this is his first comment to the torrent on DAD:

"Also, feel free to visit my Queen trading website at www.breakthru-trading.tk"





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Posted: 22 Jun 05, 05:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

YourValentine wrote:

I posted this because the original seeder complained about it. He never seeded a show and then posted here asking for "Thank you" posts. But he did not like it that the show was seeded on DAD without the slightest mention of the original seed - not because he himself needs the credit but because he is truly pissed off about Gerolamo making it look like the show comes from his trading page as a gift for the sharing community.

It's perfectly okay to seed QZ torrents on DAD and the other way round. It's also not necessary to credit anyone when you don't know where a show comes from. A lot of hub files are shared on DAD and QZ and it's impossible to know who brought the file into the hub.

Personally, I don't think it's cool to share something and then keep complaining that not enough people express their gratitude. I am more impressed by people who share and keep sharing when everybody else stops like for example Libor2 who always keeps reseeding or bokkepoot who has done that much for the hub for a long time now and never gets impatient with all the trouble or Rip Van Winkle who spent months to finish the bootleg tree with not a single leaf left. Or Rien or many others whose names are only known in the hub. None of them ever complained about lack of gratitude. I can understand that the "mystery man" got annoyed about Gerolamo, who makes a fuss about what he has shared but does not even give credit when he seeds an unchanged torrent.

As to Gerolamo who says he does not promote his website, this is his first comment to the torrent on DAD:

"Also, feel free to visit my Queen trading website at www.breakthru-trading.tk"




I'm free to comment everything I want, but you guys were saying I posted the 'leg for promotional purposes. And that's not true, I didn't have the slightest intention of doing that.

Again to you YV and the origininal provider, mystery man: I apologise, I can't do anything more. I'll just fuck off now, this is getting way too much overrated... Thanks alot.

Should be glad someone is sharing.

And about the seeding stuff, I always seed on and on... Indeed like the people you mentioned. Sometimes weeks and if someone wants to reseed, I do it.

Bye.

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Posted: 22 Jun 05, 07:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The issue was slightly overblown.... (mainly by everyone, and now me, jumping in) he apologised
immediately and that should be the end of the matter.

moral of story: (and life in general) never forgot your roots and all those who helped you out.

Queenzone has been very good to all of us - we must never forget that.

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Posted: 22 Jun 05, 08:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thijs, I am not a moderator, I am a user of this board and the seeder told me about this in a private conversation. He has reasons for not posting here and your cheap name calling is totally unprovoked. He has no issues with you, so why do you think you have a right to insult him.


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Posted: 22 Jun 05, 08:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Why should I thank an anonymous uploader? There's no name to give him.

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Posted: 22 Jun 05, 08:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thijs, I don't lose sleep over your opinion about me, I can only assume I ended up in your list of people you don't get along with which should be pretty long by now.


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Posted: 22 Jun 05, 08:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thijs 2 - 1 YV

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Posted: 22 Jun 05, 08:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well, scuse me for getting into this, but YV DOES have a point. Not necessarily in the sence that everybody needs to 'thank' someone particular or an unknown source on another website, while uploading a show. But it is a bit awkward (and a pretty stupid thing to do if you want to be considered 'serious' traders in the 'serious' traderscommunity) to share dozens of shows pretending they are up here thanks to your generosity, promoting your own trading-website, while in fact all of the files are simply downloaded elsewhere and copy-pasted onto the QZ messageboard...


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Posted: 22 Jun 05, 09:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The only point she has is that I haven't said where I downloaded it. The people on dime don't care... And I don't care to say that some guy who doesn't want to say who he is, provided me with it.

This is so useless.