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Posted: 22 Jun 05, 16:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hello,
I have a few questions about Freddie
Before i start, you must all know i love freddie as much as all you do, so there is absoloutely no dis-respect here.

1. How come Freddie looked normal and healthy at Wembley concert in 86, and in 1987 1 year later he looked terrible and ill, during the time of Barcelona with Montserrat caballe.
2. In the say mid 80s if Freddie has stopped getting up to his personal things with other gay men, could he maybe had not got full-blown AIDS
3. Were the rest of Queen very upset about Freddies condition, (i saw this thing once wear Roger was crying on an interview, when they were talking about Freddies final years)


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Posted: 22 Jun 05, 17:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I quote freddie: "C'est la vie"

can't change history!


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Posted: 22 Jun 05, 18:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

hey everyone, i'm new, thought i'd say Hi by trying to be useful! probably best to point out i'm an A level Biology student looking to go into Immunology and Infectious Disease at university!

ok... in answer to your question about why he looked so ill so fast... AIDS itself doesn't cause any symptoms other than lowering the white blood cell count. white blood cells fight diease, and without them other dieases, things that a healthy person wouldn't even notice, like a cold or even acne could get so badly infected it could be fatal. freddie probably lost weight and got so ill all of a sudden because of one these "opportunistic" diseases took advantage of his weak immune system and it took him months and months to get over it.

secondly, if he'd stopped his noturnal activities with guys,m it wouldn't make a difference to the time he developed full AIDS or even the development at all. to become HIV positive, in theory, only a few hundred virus cells need to be present in the blood, there's a fairly high risk factor even if just one virus cell was in the blood, the speed they reproduce at it wouldn't make a difference in the end.

hope that was helpful!


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Posted: 22 Jun 05, 19:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I coulda sworn Freddie was offed by bronchial pneumonia, onset by AIDS.
Pretty sure that's what caused it.
Then again, I have a relative who's immunodeficient right now (leukemia), and lemme tell you, it's kinda difficult to follow the guidelines.


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Posted: 22 Jun 05, 21:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

hey evil_felix_girl welcome!!!!! to the forum,

and that was a great first post by the way :)


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Posted: 23 Jun 05, 13:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

if only aids was a big issue back then.


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Posted: 23 Jun 05, 15:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

thanks flash! its nice to meet new people :)

its always kinda difficult to say what causes certain symptoms with AIDS, i suppose saying you got it from sniffing coke was probably a good way to kill two birds with one stone. play on people's fear of AIDS, stop them takin drugs. when the authorities pull cheap tricks like that they cheapen the pain people like freddie went through. bloody government.

anyway, hi everyone :)

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Posted: 23 Jun 05, 15:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't know about coke, but..I have posted this MANY times on QZ and people ignore it (which they should NOT do)...but...

in New York, USA, a few months ago, the USA Center for Disease Control and some doctors there, are TERRIFIED of a NEW mutation, strain of the AIDS virus.

They treated a man, who died of AIDS, but here is the history of WHY the doctors are so scared.

The man got the HIV virus, and instead of it taking years to become positive, and turn into AIDS, which as you know with proper AZT medication usually nowadays a person can live a decade or more...

..but this man got the virus..and within literally like 2 or 3 weeks it developed into FULL BLOWN AIDS and resisted every form of current available mediaction, and the man died in a few WEEKS.

The history of the man. He was a gay male who had participated in all night rave parties, having MULTIPLE sexual partners AND,...

.... taking LARGE does of Crystal Meth... daily.

The doctors think that something about the crystal meth made the AIDS virus mutate into this Super bug strain, and a few more men with the SAME history have immediately died the same way.

So..in this day and age..for people to NOT practice safe, monogamous sex, and to abuse drugs like that...I mean this is 2005, NOT 1985. People here in the USA are eduated and informed, and STILL they play Russian Roulette with their lives. Stupid.


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Posted: 23 Jun 05, 15:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi!

Johnny knoxville, what interwiev was that, where rog cried? I'm collectin interviwes and I haven't got this one.

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Posted: 23 Jun 05, 16:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Freddie-

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Posted: 23 Jun 05, 16:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'm sure I speak for everyone here when I say I wish Freddie was still alive and making music with Brian, Roger & John.

But he isn't - and bemoaning his death nearly 14 years on isn't going to change anything or bring him back.

What's done is done.

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Posted: 24 Jun 05, 08:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

evil_felix_girl wrote:

hey everyone, i'm new, thought i'd say Hi by trying to be useful! probably best to point out i'm an A level Biology student looking to go into Immunology and Infectious Disease at university!

ok... in answer to your question about why he looked so ill so fast... AIDS itself doesn't cause any symptoms other than lowering the white blood cell count. white blood cells fight diease, and without them other dieases, things that a healthy person wouldn't even notice, like a cold or even acne could get so badly infected it could be fatal. freddie probably lost weight and got so ill all of a sudden because of one these "opportunistic" diseases took advantage of his weak immune system and it took him months and months to get over it.

secondly, if he'd stopped his noturnal activities with guys,m it wouldn't make a difference to the time he developed full AIDS or even the development at all. to become HIV positive, in theory, only a few hundred virus cells need to be present in the blood, there's a fairly high risk factor even if just one virus cell was in the blood, the speed they reproduce at it wouldn't make a difference in the end.

hope that was helpful!


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About fucking time someone straightened out the whole 'how AIDS kills you' myth - can't say I know you too well evil_felix_girl, but I like what you had to say - SHOT WOMAN!! ;) Nothing there I couldn't have said better myself.

As for the question about the other guys being upset about Freddie dying, well, I don't know really know how Brian reacted but I read somewhere that John locked himself in the recording studio on his own for a few days 'cos he was so devastated.

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Posted: 24 Jun 05, 08:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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yo miss spammer :p How's you?


Yeah, 'cos my posts just have so much meaning in 'em don't they... :P You should check out the shite I'm writing on the other boards *kiss kiss*

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Posted: 24 Jun 05, 08:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

the_hero wrote:

does that mean you are ok? lol


Eh?

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Posted: 24 Jun 05, 08:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

the_hero wrote:

I asked if you were doing ok and I get an answer like that :S :P


I just told you on MSN how I'm feeling - and why I'm feeling that way :( 'Spose it doesn't help when someone in your class tells you to kill your brother earlier in the day... FUCK!! I gotta stop whinging!! SOMEONE GET ME SOME GINSENG... ... ...AND ROGER TAYLOR IN A SCHOOL GIRL'S UNIFORM!!

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Posted: 24 Jun 05, 08:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The real pisser is that AIDS can be killed by something as simple as cold water. I wouldn't reccomend injecting water into your bloodstream though LOL.

I did a 2 day course on AIDS at St Mary's, Paddington when I was an undertaker.


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Posted: 24 Jun 05, 09:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Bob The Shrek wrote:

The real pisser is that AIDS can be killed by something as simple as cold water. I wouldn't reccomend injecting water into your bloodstream though LOL.


Tell me about it - fucking scary disease, eh?

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Posted: 24 Jun 05, 09:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Not particularly. I never once used protective gloves when removing a victim of AIDS. I was more worried about Hepatitis.


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Posted: 24 Jun 05, 09:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Bob The Shrek wrote:

Not particularly. I never once used protective gloves when removing a victim of AIDS. I was more worried about Hepatitis.


Not me, I'd rather get Hepatitis then AIDS.

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Posted: 24 Jun 05, 15:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The only way freddie could have survived was if he had been more careful and protected himself more,but having hindsight is a wonderful thing it's just a shame you can't go back in time and change certain things eh!!!!!!.


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