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Posted: 10 Jul 05, 13:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

nobody seems to be making a big deal about the band playing in front of 60% capacity in this outdoor swing of the tour.If you look at the size of the venues played on 1st leg they were small to medium and quite a few did not sell out.Even the tiny venues in Ireland!My point is if and when the tour the states they better have an idea of what type of venue the can sell out and also hook up with someone who knows what the hell they are doing as a promoter.If Freddie is watching he must be laughing at the empty top bowls of these venues saying"bit off a bit more that you could chew dearies".


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Posted: 10 Jul 05, 13:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

boooring...

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Posted: 10 Jul 05, 16:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

sir i have seen your posts.You wrote the book on boring.


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Posted: 10 Jul 05, 18:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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nobody seems to be making a big deal about the band playing in front of 60% capacity in this outdoor swing of the tour.If you look at the size of the venues played on 1st leg they were small to medium and quite a few did not sell out.Even the tiny venues in Ireland!My point is if and when the tour the states they better have an idea of what type of venue the can sell out and also hook up with someone who knows what the hell they are doing as a promoter.If Freddie is watching he must be laughing at the empty top bowls of these venues saying"bit off a bit more that you could chew dearies".


Ha ha yeah. Bet he is saying that. You silly tit.

Queen didn't sell 50,000 seats on a Wednesday night, in a country they had toured in already this year, in the rain. Also bearing in mind they are a band minus it's most famous member and on their first tour for YEARS.

How many guitarists and drummers from a band can sell 25,000-30,000 seats? Do you think Slash and Matt Sorum (from Guns N' Roses) could do that? Do you think Coldplay's guitarist and drummer could do that? Do you think even The Edge and Larry from U2 or Keith Richards and Charlie Watts could do that? I don't think so.

Bravo to Q+PR. I'll see them on their next tour. And after they have released a new album in 2006 then they will have even more fans.

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Posted: 10 Jul 05, 18:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

hopefully i will see them as well in U.S. My point is when a show is not selling 3 or 4 days before show-you paper it meaning give tix away.Tours feed off that stuff and i suspect whoever is handling the band is a step or 2 behind the times.Example is booking wembler arena which did more to hurt then help.Anyway when they come here to states they will be fighting alot more competition and must have good prmoters behind them.Peace


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Posted: 10 Jul 05, 21:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Queen didn't sell 50,000 seats on a Wednesday night, in a country they had toured in already this year, in the rain. Also bearing in mind they are a band minus it's most famous member and on their first tour for YEARS.

How many guitarists and drummers from a band can sell 25,000-30,000 seats? Do you think Slash and Matt Sorum (from Guns N' Roses) could do that? Do you think Coldplay's guitarist and drummer could do that? Do you think even The Edge and Larry from U2 or Keith Richards and Charlie Watts could do that? I don't think so.


Bravo to Q+PR. I'll see them on their next tour. And after they have released a new album in 2006 then they will have even more fans.

It's rising again.



You are absolutely right, I agree completely, hats off to Q+PR, when they tour over here in the states, I will seeing them for sure.


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Posted: 10 Jul 05, 23:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

WEll, Queen( + or - , as you wish) doesn't even have an album and a hit to promote... those are the things that bring on the ocasional fans... you don't believe that U2 have all that fans that can sell out stadiums all over Europe... here in Portugal people slept outside ticket store just to get a ticket for the U2 concert, but when televison guy asked what he favorite song and/or album, most of people answers: «hmm... that one, with the video at the airport... hmmm or that one whne they sing in the street»... maybe i'm crazy but i couldn't call that exactly as fans!!!! those guys, in a few years will not remember the concert!

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Posted: 11 Jul 05, 00:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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If you look at the size of the venues played on 1st leg they were small to medium and quite a few did not sell out.Even the tiny venues in Ireland!My point is if and when the tour the states they better have an idea of what type of venue the can sell out and also hook up with someone who knows what the hell they are doing as a promoter.


I certainly agree with this part of the post. Marketing in the US is much different than in Europe. They'd better hook up with the right people, otherwise the US will be a complete flop.



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Posted: 11 Jul 05, 04:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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sir i have seen your posts.You wrote the book on boring.

And you're trying to copy it...

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Posted: 11 Jul 05, 04:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I absoluteley agree with Lord Blackadder !

In 1986, when they played cologne with Freddie for the last time, 60.000 people were there. But that was the old stadium, which was much bigger anyway, (the new one has a capacity of only about 40.000 in concerts, because it is a pure football-stadium, with no track) and it was Queen's heyday with AKOM selling phenomenal in europe. And Freddie of course.

Consider several more things: it was a wednesday - many people turned up shortly before the show, right after work. But a lot of people don't go to concerts during the week. Another point: it was raining. And very important: it was the start of school-summerholidays in northrine-westphalia, thousands of families were already on the 'autobahn' for their vacation. So it was quite a bad timing for the concert, and thus I consider 30.000 a big crowd !

A fantastic concert and a big party, the crowd was great and everyone was having fun !!!


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Posted: 11 Jul 05, 09:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Also, it was badly promoted. There were quite a few people who would have went if they only had known. I told them of the concert! And then, it was Wednesday, people have to work. Mariah Carey sold 4500 tickets last saturday in Karlsruhe. And she sold more records recently than Queen.


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Posted: 11 Jul 05, 12:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Posted: 12 Jul 05, 00:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

agree with Blackadder....Queen + PR are doing an amazing job! and did just sell out all the arena dates too....this tour is the best thing that has happened in rock in 2005....can't wait till they start selling the North American dates

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Posted: 12 Jul 05, 12:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

....can I just say that I was at the Belfast (that's NORTHERN Ireland for those not in the know) gig.

It started to fill about 20mins before the start. By kick-off, it was full. About 10% of the tickets, and that was the last of them, sold at the box.

Word on the door, and from my mate who runs EventSec, was that it was indeed sold out. The Odyssey in the configuration for a live show, holds ten thousand. Please note that the concept of the big indoor gig is still new in Northern Ireland, so for half a band, this was quite exceptional. The sell-outs in NI are normally reserved for the Westlife or Rod Stewart type bands.

That's my tuppence worth.


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Posted: 01 Aug 05, 04:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Lord Blackadder wrote:


How many guitarists and drummers from a band can sell 25,000-30,000 seats? Do you think Slash and Matt Sorum (from Guns N' Roses) could do that? Do you think Coldplay's guitarist and drummer could do that? Do you think even The Edge and Larry from U2 or Keith Richards and Charlie Watts could do that? I don't think so.


Hate to point this out, but I *believe* Pink Floyd did the same thing when they went on tour for their then new album "A Momentary Lapse Of Reason", and they sold out many concerts. (Richard Wright, the keyboardist for Pink Floyd, had only been hired to go on tour with them and play on that album as a "session musician", so he wasn't quite re-instated as a member (he had been kicked out during the "Wall" album recording sessions by Roger Waters previously) until when they later recorded and toured for "The Division Bell")

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Inu-Liger<h6>-a.k.a. Richard Guilbault- wrote:

Lord Blackadder wrote:


How many guitarists and drummers from a band can sell 25,000-30,000 seats? Do you think Slash and Matt Sorum (from Guns N' Roses) could do that? Do you think Coldplay's guitarist and drummer could do that? Do you think even The Edge and Larry from U2 or Keith Richards and Charlie Watts could do that? I don't think so.


Hate to point this out, but I *believe* Pink Floyd did the same thing when they went on tour for their then new album "A Momentary Lapse Of Reason", and they sold out many concerts. (Richard Wright, the keyboardist for Pink Floyd, had only been hired to go on tour with them and play on that album as a "session musician", so he wasn't quite re-instated as a member (he had been kicked out during the "Wall" album recording sessions by Roger Waters previously) until when they later recorded and toured for "The Division Bell")


I don't think this is a fair comparison : The Floyd show always relied on lightshow+Gilmour's guitar playing+Gilmour's voice. You have to remember that Gilmour sang lead vocals on virtually every major song : breathe, money, wish you were here...So Water's absence can't be compared to Freddie's, I'm afraid.

And I also think that the QPR has been a great achievement ticketwise. Paul, Bri and Rog aren't exactly superstars to the average joe. After the Paris show, lots of people were very happy about the concert and singing the songs, but had no idea that Brian May was the guitarist of Queen and Roger Taylor the drummer.

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Posted: 01 Aug 05, 16:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The MLoR tour's shows ALL SOLD OUT in advance! Even the MLoR album was a huge hit(#3 in the US and 4 million copies sold! David Gilmour's voice and guitar was dominant on every PF album from More to Wish You Were Here then Waters dominated Animals(DG only sang half of one track on Animals), The Wall(he shared lead vocals with Rog on a number of tracks(namely Another Brick in the Wall(part 2), Mother, Hey You and Comfortably Numb and on the 1980/81 live readings of Run Like Hell) and sang lead on Goodbye Blue Sky, Young Lust and The Show Must Go On) and The Final Cut. Drummer Nick Mason and keyboardist Rick Wright are the only two PF members who played every show that PF did. Wright was fired from PF but did The Wall shows as a salaried musician and was the only PF member to make money from the shows as the other three members(Gilmour, Mason and Waters) lost money although the sales of The Wall rescued PF from filing bankruptcy.


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Posted: 01 Aug 05, 18:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

NOTWMEDDLE wrote:

The MLoR tour's shows ALL SOLD OUT in advance! Even the MLoR album was a huge hit(#3 in the US and 4 million copies sold! David Gilmour's voice and guitar was dominant on every PF album from More to Wish You Were Here then Waters dominated Animals(DG only sang half of one track on Animals), The Wall(he shared lead vocals with Rog on a number of tracks(namely Another Brick in the Wall(part 2), Mother, Hey You and Comfortably Numb and on the 1980/81 live readings of Run Like Hell) and sang lead on Goodbye Blue Sky, Young Lust and The Show Must Go On) and The Final Cut. Drummer Nick Mason and keyboardist Rick Wright are the only two PF members who played every show that PF did. Wright was fired from PF but did The Wall shows as a salaried musician and was the only PF member to make money from the shows as the other three members(Gilmour, Mason and Waters) lost money although the sales of The Wall rescued PF from filing bankruptcy.


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Posted: 01 Aug 05, 18:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Pink Floyd is an unfair comparison not because of the two members thing but because Floyd had wall-to-wall airplay on every MOR/AOR rock station in the states at that point. When that tour came around in Philly, it was like the second coming of Christ. Every stoner friend I had dropped acid just for that occasion.

This is a far different set of circumstances. Queen were not -- at all -- played on classic rock radio stations, let alone top 40 stations, from the summer of 1982 until Wayne's World came out in 1990-91. OK, a few rock blocks maybe. But nothing.

So now, 20 years later, Queen in come configuration are doing two dates, and small wonder there's talk of that being possibly it, small wonder they're said to be "testing the waters." No one really knows who's going to show up. I'm going to really feel sorry for those who don't get off their duffs and see them in LA or in New York, either because of ticket prices of traveling distance. They really may never have a chance again. Trust me; I've been a fan since 1979, and this is a miracles they're even coming, and Queenzoners from the entire Western Hemisphere should be going to these gigs. If for no other reason than welcoming them.

If there's a lack of attendence, we have no one to blame but ourselves, I'd say. As for advertising: When's the last time you saw an ad for rock gig on TV in the last 10 years? A VH-1 tour? I can't remember.


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Posted: 03 Aug 05, 02:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Great post, Daniel.

Yeah, I'm definitely not taking any chances. I'm counting my blessings that it's a 10-hour drive to see Queen, even for one time. It will be a very expensive weekend, but I honestly don't care. I've been waiting for about ten years for this to come, and I fully expect to have the weekend of my life.



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