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Posted: 13 Jul 05, 08:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Read his comments this morning on his views of how we are of the bad guys ( I should have have known we deserve to die) and wanted to ger a little understanding myself. I live in the USA by the way and despite what he says,...a climate of fear, which, sadly, the U.S.A. is already experiencing...is not true.

I think we all get fraustrated because we are afraid a little and do no understand the mentality of cold blooded killers any more than we do people who for example molest and kill children. We need concrete reasons. Accepting that people are just evil is hard.

want to see our politicians answer the question 'Why?' Why do people hate us this much? What can we do to change this? It's no use thinking we are dealing with a small bunch of maniacs, as seems to be the popular view, who need to be 'stamped out.'

I have a few tips that may help:

1. NEVER say anything that may be even remotly offensive to islam. Do not even show negative news on tv. They hate this. Check out Rushdie or the Dutch filmaker that was murdered.
2. Make music that is only pleasing to god
3. Teach Islam in the schools. If we are evil than we must try to be like them and show we are not.
4.Talking of how we are perceived of a s greedy, how much are you worth Brian? Or is that different?
5. Pay $500 for a barrel of oil. That is what Bin Laden said we should be doing. Sell it to the infidels but make them pay.
6. Take out all westerners from the middle east, no matter who they are or what they do. Laden has stated clearly that we do not belong there. We are the infidel.
7. Continue with humanitarian aid and increase it as much as we can afford. They may hate us but we have to show we are better and continue to send them money.
8. Remove troops from Bosnia. If the slaugher continues, well the terrorists can step in and help. Like they give a damm about their own people anyway.
9.Do NOT develop electric cars. If we do not need oil, these people have NOTHING, and that would be hatefull on our behalf right?

Look, I could go on and I respect Brians views, but it is a relativly small percentage of people who want to do us harm. Do you really want to change your way of live out of fear, and hope they leave you alone until the next time they want something.
While not perfect, do you really think the USA and England is evil? If so, how could you live there? Must be non-evil places you can be.

Lastly, knowing what Sadam was doing to his people (women and children) daily, do you not think it's evil to do nothing? "What a shame, we will do a concert and send money". But they still die. Singing kumbaya and hoping does not make dictators go away and does not relieve most of the worlds suffering. never has, probably never will.




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Posted: 13 Jul 05, 10:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What comments? I see something about the darkness, a concert and some comet things.


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Posted: 13 Jul 05, 11:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't think Brian refered to citizens of the UK and the USA as evil, but rather their governments.

The whole war on terrorism is a complete bunch of LIES. The Bush Administration believes that by taking Al-Qaeda out of Afghanistan, they've destroyed most of it. Well, it happens to be that Al-Qaeda is made out of dozens (possibly hundreds) of terrorist cells all around the world, including the U.S.A. Why not put all our effort into finding terrorists inside nations in threat, as well as collaborating with other countries into finding Al-Qaeda links. Obviously, the arrogant attitude of the Bush Administration is not helping at all to fight terrorism. Although I truly believe that Saddam Hussein well deserved to be taken out of power, it seems obvious now that the reasons to invade Iraq were phony. The accusations with the WMD, and the Al-Qaeda links were all a bunch of made-up stories. If Saddam Hussein truly had WMDs, why didn't he used them to defend himself?
Oh, and Osama Bin Laden... the long forgotten Osama Bin Laden, where the hell is he now? Last year Bush himself said not being concerned about finding him, even though he's directly responsible for killing 3,000 Americans. Now, 53 UK citizens were just killed, and still Bush hasn't mentioned Osama Bin Laden once.


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Posted: 13 Jul 05, 11:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think your comment about living in the USA explains a lot, coops. Americans, on the whole (I'm Canadian, with family living in the US), are the most insular people on earth. I read Brian's comments on Friday about the bombing, and he mentioned that we have to wonder why there is hatred towards the west. I don't pretend to have that answer, but I believe that the bullshit war on terrorism is part of the problem, and the American governments arrogance and disrespect to most things not American. America is both the most amazing and most fucked up country on earth.


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Posted: 13 Jul 05, 14:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mr.Jingles79 wrote:

I don't think Brian refered to citizens of the UK and the USA as evil, but rather their governments.
That was how I understood it as well.


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Posted: 13 Jul 05, 15:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

one society blindly worships the military industrial complex...the other society just worships. sometimes there's no balance in that either imho. maybe it's the western materialism some cultures hate, the secular humanism. I was fortunuate to live in Pakistan several years ago, after the CIA stopped supplying Osama Bin Laden with Stinger missiles....

ever heard of the Savak? secret police organized in Iran by CIA for Shah of Pahlivi?

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Posted: 13 Jul 05, 15:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I should have mentioned that I am English and have lived here for 15 years.

If you READ and not automaticlly assume that some sources are correct regardless, you will know that the US gave Iraq plenty of opportunity to allow people into his country to search for wmd's. We know he had them at one time and in light of 911 and wanting to prevent another attack, it made sense to make sure he had none. Not that he may use them, but that he may give / sell to someone who might. Perhaps Sadams word was good enough for you, but not for me. The United Nations already had several resolutions that they were not enforcing and, as it turns out, had good reason. They were taking money from Iraq illegaly. Sadam refused to allow inspectors to go where they want because he had the guarantee of France, Germany and Russia that the UN would not pass a resolution allowing military action.
Sadam was by the way paying the families cash rewards should their son or daughter be a suicide bomber. He was always allowing soldiers to fire on planes in the no-fly zone and allowed terrorists to train in his country. These are facts.
And we do always look for terrorists in our own backyard, but they come from somewhere. Perhaps if totalitarian regimes are not to be allowed to exist, and people not be allowed to live in abject poverty, there will be no terrorism. At least not as much. But if we have this attitude WE are responsible and not them, we are screwed.
I appreciate your comments and I think you may be right about the hate being against the govt. not the people. It is strange though that people, not govt. is most often the target of these guys.

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Posted: 13 Jul 05, 15:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Ever since 9/11, everyone has gone paranoid all because some Jihad Devil worshippers from Allah. I am sick of terrorists!


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Posted: 13 Jul 05, 18:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

hahahahahhahahahaa


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Posted: 13 Jul 05, 19:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

the only thing i'll say is read jingles response, i think he hit the nail on the head, the american and england government are far from perfect. the war in iraq is one big lie.

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Posted: 13 Jul 05, 20:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

All that don't say this and don't say that is shite. Say what you want. I'm sick of one set of people being allowed to do one thing and the rest of us not being allowed to do anything.

Did you guys know that last year during Euro 2004 English people wern't allowed to fly the English flag or the Union Jack incase it offended non-British people. I mean what the fuck is that? We are in Britain. If I want to fly the flag of England in support of our football team then should I not be allowed? If I wanted to fly the English flag any day I should be allowed. If you are offended by the flag of the country you live in then get the fuck out. Everytime a non-Muslim says something to a Muslim that is un-friendly for whatever reason then they are deemed racist, but a Muslim can say whatever they want and they get away with it incase the police get accused of being racist. Seriously, that's what England is like nowadays. A fucked up Government who make up silly rules 'coz they can. But the worst thing is, the best choice for Government is the one in power. They are all shite.

I've got myself worked up now.


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Posted: 13 Jul 05, 20:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Lord Blackadder wrote:

All that don't say this and don't say that is shite. Say what you want. I'm sick of one set of people being allowed to do one thing and the rest of us not being allowed to do anything.

Did you guys know that last year during Euro 2004 English people wern't allowed to fly the English flag or the Union Jack incase it offended non-British people. I mean what the fuck is that? We are in Britain. If I want to fly the flag of England in support of our football team then should I not be allowed? If I wanted to fly the English flag any day I should be allowed. If you are offended by the flag of the country you live in then get the fuck out. Everytime a non-Muslim says something to a Muslim that is un-friendly for whatever reason then they are deemed racist, but a Muslim can say whatever they want and they get away with it incase the police get accused of being racist. Seriously, that's what England is like nowadays. A fucked up Government who make up silly rules 'coz they can. But the worst thing is, the best choice for Government is the one in power. They are all shite.

I've got myself worked up now.


I hate to tell you, but it's getting almost the exact same way in the USA too. A native USA person cannot say anything that might be construed as anti-muslim as that is racism, but they can make us prisoners in our own homes and tell us what we can or can't do.

Here in Maryland, the muslims keep trying to get the state schoolboard to declare some Muslim holiday an OFFICIAL holiday, and that all state public schools should close on that Muslim holiday, because they say it's highly offensive and rascist that public schools only close for Christmas and Easter. (Hey I am Jewish, and those are Christian, but widely accepted American and International holidays, and it does NOT offend me and I do not think it's racist).

Get a fucking grip.


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Posted: 13 Jul 05, 21:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I have to agree with Mr.Jinlges and a few other's responces to this post. I think our government is to blame for everything wrong with America! They are so entwined with each others lives and what other countries are doing, they forget about the important things they should be focusing on. The government is run on nothing but LIES! Bush probably has Osama in a safe place, the little wanker!

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Posted: 13 Jul 05, 22:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think the govt. is to blame coz I don't get shagged as often as I should do and that beer is so expensive and ......
Ever thought that some people hate you just because you are not the same as they are?
Its crazy, but I think it,s true. We don't understand it, so we try to rationalize it.
We seem to have a run of child murders here in the states. Some people try to figure out how/why a man can abduct 6 year old, rape her and then bury her alive. Was he abused as a kid ?
Is he angry? Reasons reasons reasons. Is he just sick and evil? I think some people are evil. It's just difficult to accept that.
It seems all these terorist groups have their own reasons, all a little different. Even English nationals are up to it now. What did England do to them but give them a place to live and opportunity. Shame on England. I think it,s coz Leeds FC sucks myself.

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Posted: 13 Jul 05, 23:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

BHM 0271 wrote:

...and the American governments arrogance and disrespect to most things not American...


George Bush's arrogance mostly. He looks like a monkey.

Ever notice when he was elected he didn't have much of that southern accent...now he sounds like won o dem gud ol boyz

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Posted: 14 Jul 05, 01:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I am an American, living in Maryland who is an independed and dislikes almost ALL of Mr. Bush's policies.

But I'm going to have to disagree with Brian on a few things. I do agree that the West needs to work on the psychological end of it--actually talking to governments, findinf out and UNDERSTANDING why we are hated and what we can constructively do about it.

However, there ARE some militants that DO need to be stamped out. If we work on dialogue and such, we can get the majority of the Muslim world on our side, but not the extremists, or men like Bin Laden. They want to see the downfall of the West, for their decadence and cultural hedgemony. And we are decadent, and we do have a hedgemony. And we need to scale back drastically. But I think it's fair to say that somebody like Bin Laden and other militants will not stop at that. There will ALWAYS be something that they are angry at America and the West for.

And these people, these violent, heartless people, need to be stamped out. Not Muslims. But groups like Al-Qaeda.

Brian May said we should take the "Nelson Mandela approach." Well, why isn't Bin Laden? He could be taking that approach as well. If he used his power over the people that admire him as well as his creativity, savvy and eloquence (as much as I hate him, he has those traits) he could rally mass support against the treacheries of the West. But does he? No. He and his organization responds with atrocities like 9/11, Madrid and London.

I hate Bush, but I support Afghanistan. And even Iraq.


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Posted: 14 Jul 05, 07:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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I think we all get fraustrated because we are afraid a little and do no understand the mentality of cold blooded killers any more than we do people who for example molest and kill children. We need concrete reasons. Accepting that people are just evil is hard.


i don´t know why people in america don´t understand that their leaders and theirs politics created bin ladens of this world
and not just created them, but trained them also
why? because they served a purpuse
but now it´s all coming back in this horrible way
you just have to take reponsabillity
you dont know why this is going on?
you dont want to know why, or you just don´t care
it´s easier to destroy iraq because of alleged wmd
and they still sell you that bullshit
over and over again.....
everything usa does is for their interest, not for interest of the world
you have to re-evaluate things that you are doing around the world
bringing down some govermants, whils supporting those who serve you ( saudi arabia pops up )
i guess vietnam didn´t teach your leaders nothing

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usa wanted to bring down saddam
usa army liberated kuwait and had a chance to bring down husien
they gave word to shiits in iraq and than just left
after that saddam killed thousands of shiits, and slaughterd kurds

i mean wtf
why do you do things that you do
interest

and we can go back when saddam was ally against ajatollah

i mean you created all of those creatures and now you are creating more

and now the terror has come to usa and europe soil because of that politics



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Posted: 14 Jul 05, 11:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

S.M. You are right, sometimes things do come back and haunt us. That happens in out own lives but does it mean we deserve it? Bib Laden was trained and armed to fight the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. I don't see it as being wrong assisting people to protect their country. Who would know the Taliban would gain power and people like Bin Laden become what they are.

Finally, at the risk of being redundant, no-one said there were wmd's in Iraq. Try and find direct quotes from Bush or Blair if you can. No Michael Moore does not count. Simply put, we wanted to make sure he had none, he would not let us check and so we went to look for ourselves. Whether you are for or against military action, this is a fact. People need to try a little harder and see beyond "I hate Bush and Blair" and so I will believe anything negative about them no-matter who says it and where the info comes from.
One of my favorite presidents was Clinton, and Republicans tried so hard to bring him down a peg or two and non-supporters loved it. Democrats rightly saw this as being nothing but partisn politics. Now the Dems are doing exactly the same thing. Truth or whats right mean nothing to some, it's all about proving a point and bringing the other side down.
Good discussion though guys. Those of you who say we need to look at ourselves and understand why we are hated, I would love to hear from you exactly WHAT you think we should do. How do we make terrorists like us and leave us alone?

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Posted: 14 Jul 05, 11:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Brian is a tool


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Posted: 14 Jul 05, 14:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

coops wrote: You are right, sometimes things do come back and haunt us. That happens in out own lives but does it mean we deserve it?




i never said that
that should not happen to anyone




She was my lover

It was a shame that she died

But the constitution´s right on my side

Cos I cought my lover in my neighbours bed

I got retribution, filled´em full of lead