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Posted: 29 Jul 05, 01:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

First, define immoral, then work backwards. Do you consider hardcore pornography immoral? Soft-core porn? Pin-ups? Sex outside of marriage?

Interesting question, though. I think it's connected to how you define something as immoral.





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Posted: 29 Jul 05, 01:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Is it like saying kinky sex is immoral? Cause sex itself is not immoral, most of the time. It happens, cause we're human. Some people just do it different.

I guess it really depends on how you strip. You can do in a beautiful sense, or a dirty one.

Course, I doubt saints or 'moral' people would condone stripping. In that view. Yes, it probably is immoral. But who here is a saint? ;)


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Posted: 29 Jul 05, 04:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Victoria wrote:

Is it like saying kinky sex is immoral? Cause sex itself is not immoral, most of the time. It happens, cause we're human. Some people just do it different.
I guess it really depends on how you strip. You can do in a beautiful sense, or a dirty one.


i guess that 'inside of a relationship' anything a 'consenting couple' do is not immoral....but outside of it then things alter.

society tells us what's immoral. in Middle-east countries any such behaviour is deemed immoral - and some extreme cases end up in jail/execution - for things we in the west may view 'normal'.

different strokes for different folks eh?


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Posted: 29 Jul 05, 04:17 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

maybe the question should be..whos more immoral, the person who strips as a way of living, or the ones who go and get entertained by these people.

i guess if a person resect themselves, and can make a living legally,than let the power be with them.



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Posted: 29 Jul 05, 04:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Brenski.....very good responce and excellent points


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Posted: 29 Jul 05, 04:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't know if it's immoral, but I don't like the idea of a person selling his/her body. It shouldn't happen, but it does, because today everything is controlled by money. I don't blame the people who do it, I blame the people who create the opportunities. A poor oprhan 19 years old girl who has to work as a stripper to support herself financially is not to blame.

Shows like MTV's "I Bet You Will" are simply disgusting, not because the people participating eat cockroaches, but because before any such act an auction is conducted between college students, to see who will agree to do something for the lowest amount of money. We're talking about a young woman who wore only bikini, spilt paint over her breasts and then used them to create "paintings", which were then sold to the audience.

The phrase "How low can you go?" seems mightily appropriate. I've never been to a place which has stripping, I'm only 17. But what I see in the movies or in pictures in the newspapers is a slutty and dirty behaviour. If a woman chooses to strip from her own free will, meaning not because she couldn't get any other job, let it be. But it's the opposite cases which raise the problem of immorality, at least as far as I'm concerned.


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Posted: 29 Jul 05, 04:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I have to agree with Guy... I don't like the idea of a person selling his/her body either.

My friends surprised me with a lap-dance on my last year’s birthday party. Well, we laughed a lot and I'll never forget it. It was a pretty girl and she sat completely naked at my lap... But she couldn't turn me on at all, just because of the thought that she does such low things to raise money.



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Posted: 29 Jul 05, 04:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

guy...your first paragraph was also a good point, i guess its like drugs, if a person is hooked on them, are they really doing anything immoral??
possibly illegal but not really immoral, now the person who sells that person those drugs are doing something immoral, due to the fact that they are preying on the persons weakness and dependency.





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Posted: 29 Jul 05, 04:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

If someone takes off clothes- someone else pays for it. If someone was to be immoral- that would be the payer... Anyway- don't think it's immoral... If ppl were stripping instead of stealing or killing- the world would be better, don't you think? Kinky sex, sex outside marriage, porn- individual thing. If you can't imagine doing that- great, that's you. But it's not us (me, you) to judge someone because he's living differently... We don't need the "my cock's bigger than yours / my morality's better than yours" bullshit... Someone is a stripper- let her (him) be and it's not you to judge... If someone's really after morality and religion than believes in God who judges... Why are we trying to put ourselfs in his position than? Isn't this one of the sins?

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Posted: 29 Jul 05, 05:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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guy...your first paragraph was also a good point, i guess its like drugs, if a person is hooked on them, are they really doing anything immoral??
possibly illegal but not really immoral, now the person who sells that person those drugs are doing something immoral, due to the fact that they are preying on the persons weakness and dependency.




Exactly. Stripping, like consuming drugs, doesn't hurt others. Dealing drugs, however, does hurt other people, and stripping club owners shouldn't take adventage of young women who desperately need money and will do anything to get it.

That's my point - the people who "run" and motivate this industry are to blame.


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Posted: 29 Jul 05, 06:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

erm....no?......obviously

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Posted: 29 Jul 05, 08:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The definition of IMMORALITY has it's extreme sides...

From the perverts of NAMBLA who think there's nothing wrong with adults having sex with children, to the ultra conservatives wackos who wish to turn every single TV channel into PAX.


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Posted: 29 Jul 05, 08:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Exactly. Stripping, like consuming drugs, doesn't hurt others. Dealing drugs, however, does hurt other people.


I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. Consuming drugs is just about as bad as selling them. By buying drugs not only you're destroying your own body, but you're giving profits to an illegal industry that is only going to become more rich and powerful. I'm Colombian, and every year hundreds (and possibly thousands) of people die there fighting the war against drug cartels. It's a war that has no end as long as there a bunch of fuckin' idiots willing to buy drugs. I'm all in favor of giving drug consumers as many years in jail as the average drug dealer.


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Posted: 29 Jul 05, 09:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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From the perverts of NAMBLA who think there's nothing wrong with adults having sex with children, to the ultra conservatives wackos who wish to turn every single TV channel into PAX.

I thought NAMBLA was National Accosiation of Marlon Brando Look Alikes :)

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Posted: 29 Jul 05, 10:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Fenderek wrote:
I thought NAMBLA was National Accosiation of Marlon Brando Look Alikes :)



nicely brought back full circle Fenderek. Immorality is the theme and there must be no more visual exponent of the word than Last Tango in Paris

i always choose butter instead of margarine these days ;-)


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Posted: 29 Jul 05, 10:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Fenderek wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote:

From the perverts of NAMBLA who think there's nothing wrong with adults having sex with children, to the ultra conservatives wackos who wish to turn every single TV channel into PAX.

I thought NAMBLA was National Accosiation of Marlon Brando Look Alikes :)


There's a reason why Marlon Brando and Michael Jackson were such good pals.


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Posted: 29 Jul 05, 11:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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I have to agree with Guy... I don't like the idea of a person selling his/her body either.

My friends surprised me with a lap-dance on my last year’s birthday party. Well, we laughed a lot and I'll never forget it. It was a pretty girl and she sat completely naked at my lap... But she couldn't turn me on at all, just because of the thought that she does such low things to raise money.

oh my...


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Posted: 29 Jul 05, 11:58 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Why would it be immoral? I mean it's the way we are born: naked... without clothes and/or prejudices...
So ww can say that most ancient pre-greek civilisations, lots of tribes around the world are immoral?


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Posted: 29 Jul 05, 12:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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There's nothing wrong with a person who sells his/her body, specially when that person lives in an unfair society that denies him/her the chance of a "normal" job.
Excellent points also by Brenski. The immoral word was invented by human being.
Who are we to decide what's immoral and what doesn't?


What kind of arguement is that? Does the fact we invented the word "rape" mean we can't judge rapists? Who are we to decide anything at all?


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Posted: 29 Jul 05, 17:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Alex Solan wrote:

Guy wrote:

Alex Solan wrote:

There's nothing wrong with a person who sells his/her body, specially when that person lives in an unfair society that denies him/her the chance of a "normal" job.
Excellent points also by Brenski. The immoral word was invented by human being.
Who are we to decide what's immoral and what doesn't?


What kind of arguement is that? Does the fact we invented the word "rape" mean we can't judge rapists? Who are we to decide anything at all?


The word rape have a more accurate sense, immoral doesn't. People supports on that word to discriminate and judge people by their jobs, religion, etc. To rape it is a CRIME. That's outta discussion.
Who are you to judge a person who strips in a club? Is his/her choice.


Who are you to tell me not to judge him/her? It's not like what I say affects them in any way. And again, I didn't judge the strippers... Maybe you should read my post.


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