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Posted: 31 Jul 05, 23:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

As far as I know, it is unknown who wrote these songs. I read somewhere that Victory was originally a Queen track, but later recorded by Freddie en Michael Jackson and then re-recorded by The Jacksons. It seems unlikely that it was written by any Queen member if it ended up on that Jacksons' album. It also seems unlikely that it has been a 'Queen' track then in the early stages.

And what about State Of Shock? Again, unknown who wrote it. Freddie and Michael originally recorded it? Then as a single with Mick Jagger and then at Live Aid performed by Mick and Tina Turner! It all seems very blurry to me. Can anyone enlighten me?

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Posted: 01 Aug 05, 06:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

State Of Shock was a Michael Jackson track originally (written around the time when he was splitting from the Jackson 5/Jacksons. He co-wrote it I do believe (cannot remember who with off the top of my head - I'll check when I get home). But - and don't quote me - Freddie thought it would be good to get the rest of the Jacksons involved and it then turned out as it did. So many different stories float around as to why Freddie didn't appear on the final version, but basically Michael met Mick Jagger, got him in on the act, the track grew, and is what it is now. Actually, one of my favourite Jackson tracks.

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Posted: 01 Aug 05, 07:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q_FORUM_ID=10&Q_FORUM_NAME=Queen+-++General+Discussion&TOPIC_SUBJECT=Freddie+was+Michael+Jackson+best+friend&Q=565378&page=1


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Posted: 01 Aug 05, 07:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Randy Hansen was the other writer by the way

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Posted: 01 Aug 05, 08:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Fred said in Munich that Victory had been written by both


John hated HS. Fred's fave singer was not PR. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Scotland's not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.
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Posted: 01 Aug 05, 08:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Its no wonder these tracks haven't been released... theyre truly awful. Well, atleast Jacksons vocals are. Jackson attemtping There Must Be More To Life Than This is laughable at best, insulting at worst.

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Posted: 01 Aug 05, 08:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think State Of Shock is good actually. And in what way would you say his vocal is truely awful? Compared to....?

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Posted: 01 Aug 05, 11:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"It also seems unlikely that it has been a 'Queen' track then in the early stages."

It's not unlikely since the early stages of Let me Live were from Rod Stewart


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Posted: 01 Aug 05, 12:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

i`ve got that song
if you want it, i could upload it
but i dont know if it`s an official release
i dont thnik so, but if you want me to upload it, just ask me


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Posted: 01 Aug 05, 12:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It's not an official release. Only the ones with Mick Jagger and Tina Turner


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Posted: 01 Aug 05, 14:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote:

"It also seems unlikely that it has been a 'Queen' track then in the early stages."

It's not unlikely since the early stages of Let me Live were from Rod Stewart


Unlikely, not impossible, but how often have Queen written songs that later were recorded by other artists?

And why wasn't Rod Stewart credited for Let Me Live?

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Posted: 01 Aug 05, 17:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote:

It's not an official release. Only the ones with Mick Jagger and Tina Turner


Wrong. It IS an official release. The one with Mick Jagger and Tina Turner is an unnoficial version, done solely for Live Aid becuase Michael Jackson couldn't be there.

I have the 12" Version sitting in my hand now... The Jacksons with Mick Jagger, State Of Shock. Music written, composed and arranged by Michael Jackson. Lyrics by Michael Jackson and Randy Hansen. Taken from the 1984 Jacksons album "Victory".

Any more info needed lol?

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Posted: 01 Aug 05, 17:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Because probably he only started the idea (Few lyrics and chords) Brian as a matter of fact started Pain is So Close to Pleasure. And he also didn't get credits


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Posted: 01 Aug 05, 18:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks GreatKing Sam, guess that is what is officially said about it.

Still a mystery to me if Queen really "started" the song... My guess is still they didn't.

I like the version of State Of Shock with Freddie and with Mick. Not so much with Tina, but I'm just not a Tina fan.

There Must Be More To Life Than This isn't bad with Michael either. At least that is my opinion. It is not perfect, but it is only a demo anyway...

Thanks for the info guys (and girls)!

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Posted: 02 Aug 05, 04:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

There is, I do believe, and older demo from the the very early 80's, around the time of Dancing Machine and few of the other slighty newer style Jackson's songs with someone like Jermaine on vocals with Michael. It's slightly faster paced than the Freddie demo, yet still not as up-tempo as the final version.

BUT... and I stress, I cannot remember if I ever heard this, or I just read it on a Michael Jackson website a long while ago.

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Posted: 06 Aug 05, 05:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I read an interview from Brian in a French rock magazine 10 years ago and he said he had laid down guitar tracks on "Victory" (dunno if it was at the time of the recording of after Freddie's passing), so there is a possibility it could become a Queen track - don't think and Roger were involved. I didn't know Rod Stewart started "Let Me Live", but it was mainly him and Freddie fooling around in the Record Plant studio, singing parts of Janis Joplin's "Piece Of My Heart". In a minute, Freddie changed the lyrics, improvising on the piano. For "Made In Heaven", Roger wrote actual lyrics and changed Rod's original parts.

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Posted: 06 Aug 05, 12:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

A bit of musical law for ya. If a person contributes one word to a song, they will be credited with a writing credit. FACT!

However, it's up to the individuals involved on what happens with certain credits. The law only comes in when they can't decide for themselves!

Peace,
Adam.