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Posted: 04 Aug 05, 08:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well, I finally did it. I figured out how to convert the DTS to DD so I could listen to these mixes properly rather than guessing how they were by listening to individual channels. Thanks to Barry for his help regarding the 5.1 plug-in for Nero.

So basically what I did was extract the DTS channels into a single, multichannel .wav. Then I made a DVD Shrink extraction of the main title from disc one.. without any audio tracks. Used VobMerge to turn this into a single .vob just to save some time with NeroVision. Loaded it up, added the multichannel .wav to audio track 1 and bingo, there it was. Added the chapters back (NeroVision never preserves them for some reason) and made a simple, menu-free DVD with just 5.1 Dolby Digital sound. I set the video quality to High and it took about 2.5 hours to render.

And guess what? It worked, and the channels seem to be in the right place! It took the multichannel .wav and turned it into 448Kbps 5.1 Dolby Digital. I don't know how it did it right, but it did.

So what are my impressions? Bohemian Rhapsody was awesome, most tracks were cool but predictable and it got very old hearing the lead vocal out of nearly every channel (I'm sorry but this really is a poor mixing choice). "Bicycle Race" has never been one of my favorite tracks, but here it shines. This was my favorite mix on the disc. Very fun, stuff coming from all over.. brilliant mix.

So I shall continue on with my projects. GVH 2 should be easier, with the separate shorter DVD titles, I can prepare it one title at a time. Gonna see what I can do with The Game DVD-A today.. hopefully I can keep the lyrics thing as the video source, but I guess I could put together any video material to equal the length.

All this because I only have a Dolby Digital decoder on my receiver which I love and refuse to replace just for DTS. I do need a new DVD player and maybe I'll consider one with a built-in DTS decoder, but a good player is hard to find these days, with them all being made in China.

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Posted: 04 Aug 05, 08:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I didn't know that was possible!


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Posted: 04 Aug 05, 08:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Me either, though it seemed like it should be, in a way. If that makes sense.

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Posted: 04 Aug 05, 08:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

In case anyone thinks I'm full of it and not hearing the channels properly, here's the direct demux of the Dolby Digital (.ac3) for Bicycle Race:

http://members.cox.net/freddiemercury/Bicycle_Race.zip

Should open with PowerDVD, Nero Showtime, etc. after unzipping.

*Note: This is not to infringe on any copyrights. I'm just providing an example to prove what I've done and I chose a short song to illustrate my point and because I only have 10 MB per webspace :)

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Posted: 04 Aug 05, 17:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Amazing eh?

I'm just about finished with GVH2. Keeping the original quality, all DTS videos from both discs fit onto one. 19 tracks I believe, in 7 titles. I did have some sync problems on all of the single-video titles for some reason, the extracted audio did not include the little 6 second title cards so I had to resync all of those, but it looks like all is well.

May not start on 'The Game' until tomorrow. This shit is getting might tedious :-P

Thanks all of you for your interest though! I'm happy to share my wonderful Queen experiences.

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Posted: 05 Aug 05, 10:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

GVH 2 came out just fine :) Not too impressed with any of these mixes really, many were quite disappointing.. many elements missing (Radio Ga Ga for example). I guess Scandal and Back Chat are probably the best of the bunch in my opinion.

The Game DVD-A came out wonderful! Play the Game is great, with Freddie in the center, wish more were like that. Coming Soon was really neat with the new background vocals.

I was surprised how small the DVD for The Game came out. I wasn't able to use the lyrics thing, as it is timed to run the length of the album, but when made into a standard video file it only runs 33 seconds. LOL. So I made this disc as a slide show instead, with just a title card for each song, and each title card image timed to the length of the song, which created chapter breaks too (very clever of me!). The whole disc is only 128 MB but even with all that compression, I checked out the quality by re-extracting 6 channels from the Dolby Digital, and mixed them to stereo, then did the karaoke trick to see if it 'swished' (always a sign of over-compression) and it didn't.

So based on my findings, all of these discs could have included a small 5.1 Dolby Digital version just for the sake of people who don't have DTS and it wouldn't have taken up any space at all.

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Posted: 05 Aug 05, 15:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I remember fitting the entire DVD-A of The Game onto a single cd-rom in DTS form! Now, that was a great find.

Btw, remember that they prefer DTS as their delivery format. Whether they can do what you did, I think, is probably irrelevant. My guess, is that they don't like DD for the music mixes.

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Posted: 11 Aug 05, 14:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

So that's why MSN is so popular! Makes sense now :-P

Anyway, I'm finished with all of the DTS transfers now. I even shrunk the GVH videos down to just still frames in order to fit both DVD-As and both GVH volumes all on one disc.

A Night At The Opera is absolutely amazing in my opinion. It's a shame they couldn't get someone who knows what they're doing to do the rest of the 5.1 mixes (no offense to Justin and everyone else involved, but there's so many lost opportunities).

Stand-out tracks for me where "Love of My Life" which nearly had me in tears. Freddie's harmonies are just so much more beautiful in this format.

"39" was fantastic. Being surrounded by all that guitar is heavenly.

"Good Company" was a real treat. So much more fun with all the cool "instruments" Brian created all over the place.

Little things here and there that couldn't be heard in the original mix.. not too much missing. One that stands out as missing something is "I'm In Love With My Car". I expected a bit more for the car sound effects, and it's missing the cool metallic sound under the phrase "My hubcaps all gleam" and the fade out and back in at the end is too short.

I'm glad to finally be able to hear all of these for myself, and clearly ANATO (as a whole) was the best of all the mixes in my opinion.

Edit: BTW, I laughed when I saw that the Bo Rhap video included on ANATO was taken from the Greatest Flix master, complete with bad dropouts and the last frame of the 'Killer Queen" video. Very professional :-P

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Posted: 11 Aug 05, 19:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I have to agree with you about getting someone in the know about these mixes. I'm just not as happy with Justin Shirley Smith as I used to be. There was hardly a point of reference where I could say, he's not doing a great job, etc. etc. But listening to certain things on his mixes and another persons mixes of the same material shows things up in his sound that I don't like. And others have noted the changes, too.
I think people on this forum are right when they say things like, why does the snare sound 'wimpy' on the new dvd than the old footage on tv? Or the controversy over the 2001 remasters in comparison with older releases.

Does Brian just go with him because it's business as usual? He trusts what JSS is doing, 100%? I liked David Richards mixes. So full and lush. I kind of feel the stuff JSS does comes out a little "scooped."

Peace,
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Posted: 11 Aug 05, 20:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

And wouldn't you say it's a good guess that the DVD-Audios use more center channel because the DTS folks probably insist on it? I mean, I know it's an old debate and Justin has his reasons.. but there are ways to utilize all channels in some capacity.. that's the whole point!

Even if they insist on not centering the vocal (which after hearing some examples of, I think is THE way to go in most cases) they could put *something* there.



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Posted: 11 Aug 05, 20:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Posted: 12 Aug 05, 00:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think it's always good to highlight things in the center channel, e.g. vocal presence, guitar solo presence, etc. But after mixing in 5.1 for the last few months, I still think it's not imperative to use the center all the time. But yeah, I agree it should be used for some things. Though what they'd be, I'm not sure.

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