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Posted: 13 Aug 05, 08:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Don´t know if this subject has already been discussed here or not. Regardless of that, does anyone have any information just how bad Freddie was effected by this AIDS related disorder? I remember reading from somewhere that at least his eyesight started to fail in the end but what about the other changes? Did he suffer from mania, personality changes etc?

http://www.zarcrom.com/users/alzheimers/odem/aids1.html

http://www4.gayhealth.com/iowa-robot/common/condition.html?record=28

(Maybe this is that sort of a subject is better left undiscussed, though (after all, a person´s illness is a very personal matter). It would still be somewhat interesting to know.)

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Posted: 13 Aug 05, 10:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I remember reading an exerpt from Jim Huttons book...

Freddie woke up again at six in the morning and uttered what were to be his last two words: "Pee, Pee" He wanted to be helped to the loo. he looked terribly weak and I had to carry him. As I lowered him back on to the bed I heard a deafening crack. It sounded like one of Freddie's bones breaking, cracking like the branch of a tree. He screamed out in pain and went into a convulsion.

I yelled for Joe. I needed him to pin Freddie to the bed to stop him injuring himself. Over the years, Joe had seen Freddie have one anxiety attack after another and he knew just how to handle him - by pinning him down until the anxiety had passed. He said: "Freddie, calm down." Then Freddie's hand shot up and went straight for Joe's throat. He was like a drowning man clutching for air.

Joe freed himself from Freddie's grip and eventually he calmed him down. Then, exhausted by the strain, Freddie promptly fell asleep.



... After reading the first link about psychotic episodes, maybe a lil'.

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Posted: 13 Aug 05, 15:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

its so sad he must of been in terrible pain, i know he sent a copy of slightly mad to kenny everett as its about the type of aids he was suffering with,


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Posted: 13 Aug 05, 15:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Actually, come to think of it...after reading about this disorder, it does put the lyrics of "I´m going slightly mad" in a different light. Always thought they were about his depression because of his illness or something like that. Maybe he truely felt he was going crazy.

Really sad.

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Posted: 13 Aug 05, 16:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"kd" that was a pretty horrid story, but unfortunatly it tells just how much freddie suffered. the part of freddie's bones cracking is truly sick, it's a lession to all of us to use a condom, if only he used a condom.

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Posted: 14 Aug 05, 00:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Good lord. Freddie had a blast coming up with goofy lyrics for 'Slightly Mad' along with friends. It was not the result of some dementia or psychosis. The only thing it proves is that he maintained his sense of humor through rough times.

It's funny how people put down Jim Hutton for being honest in his book (or accusing him of lying because they don't like what they hear) and yet others go to such lengths to discuss/speculate/imagine the most sickening and horrifying events in Freddie's final days.

Of course he suffered horribly, as all AIDS victims do. What's the point of dwelling on it?

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Posted: 14 Aug 05, 02:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It's very sad to think about. What is the title of Jim Hutton's Book?


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Posted: 14 Aug 05, 12:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

barn wrote:

flash00. wrote:

its so sad he must of been in terrible pain, i know he sent a copy of slightly mad to kenny everett as its about the type of aids he was suffering with,


Kenny is a fucking liar.



steady on o'l boy LOL..

actualy it was peter freestone that said it not kenny and kenny's best friend cleo rocos also told the same story, but freddie wrote the song with his same upbeat humour as always late at night with his bud peter straker.


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Posted: 14 Aug 05, 12:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I heard he was demented in the end. He didn't know he was gay, so he fucked a woman


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Posted: 14 Aug 05, 16:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

All I Hear Is Radio Gaga wrote:

It's very sad to think about. What is the title of Jim Hutton's Book?



For anyone interested, here's the link to the exerpt, I think the Book is called Mercury and Me


http://queen.peoples.ru/html/archive/stati/fred_jim3.htm

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Posted: 15 Aug 05, 07:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

in the tv documentary peter said that kenny visited freddie in 90-91 and they both sat and chatted over old times, checkout the doc kenny everett +freddie mercury i think it was in the d/l section on this forum its a good documentary!!


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Posted: 15 Aug 05, 07:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mr. Freestone seems to contradict himself a little - in his book he does indeed say that Kenny and Freddie never spoke again after Christmas 1980, and yet in the documentary he says, as pointed out by "flash00" that they met up again in 1990/91 in an attempt to patch things up and talk over old times... I wonder which is true...? it's all very confusing... :o/


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Posted: 15 Aug 05, 12:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

kdj2hot wrote:

I remember reading an exerpt from Jim Huttons book...

Freddie woke up again at six in the morning and uttered what were to be his last two words: "Pee, Pee" He wanted to be helped to the loo.


Perfect example of why I have never bothered reading this. That sort of thing should never have ended up in a book.

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Posted: 15 Aug 05, 12:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

kdj2hot wrote:

As I lowered him back on to the bed I heard a deafening crack. It sounded like one of Freddie's bones breaking, cracking like the branch of a tree. He screamed out in pain and went into a convulsion.


There is no reason that any of us need to know these details. The book is awful. I don't need to know the exact details of what happened in those final days. It is something that should have remained private.