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Posted: 18 Aug 05, 11:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

So whats the deal? I understand why Queen didn't tour Communist countries such as Russia and China but does that mean that they don't exist there? Are there any Chinese or Russians on this board? If so how big are Queen? I've always wondered. I saw Macca play in Moscow so The Beatles are obviously known.


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Posted: 18 Aug 05, 11:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

There are some Russians on this board, one of them called Serry.

Do you really think that if we have had communism - that means we didn't know who are The Beatles or Queen...? OMG...

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Posted: 18 Aug 05, 12:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I once saw someone on tv claim that Paul McCartney was resonsible for the fall of communisum.

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Posted: 18 Aug 05, 15:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

how.

i always heard that the pope (john paul II)made the biggest contribution to the fall of communism as he was from poland


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Posted: 18 Aug 05, 15:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

PieterMC wrote:

I once saw someone on tv claim that Paul McCartney was resonsible for the fall of communisum.


Must have been the same the same person who claimed that Another One Bites The Dust gave birth to hip hop music.


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Posted: 18 Aug 05, 15:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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PieterMC wrote:

I once saw someone on tv claim that Paul McCartney was resonsible for the fall of communisum.


Must have been the same the same person who claimed that Another One Bites The Dust gave birth to hip hop music.

Rubbish, everyone knows it woz WWRY :P


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Posted: 18 Aug 05, 15:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Serry... wrote:

There are some Russians on this board, one of them called Serry.

Do you really think that if we have had communism - that means we didn't know who are The Beatles or Queen...? OMG...


Sergey, I never understood why some artists chose not to tour Communist nations, but some artists DID choose to tour, and in doing so..helped bridge a great universal language through music.

I remember in the 1970's and 80's (no peanut gallery shit here as this is for real), country star Roy Clark became like an honorary Ambassador to the USSR because he REGULARLY toured there to sellout stadiums who adored him. (Clark is also renowned as one of the world's finest guitarists, even though a country player, from the Chet Atkins type school of speed pickin'). I watched one of his TV specials that was taped there, live in concert when I was a teenager.

Also Billy Joel's Tour there in the mid 80's was a HUGE success and also taped and I've seen and heard it.

And of course Macca did go there as did many other artists and it helped break down political barriers and create good will.




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Posted: 18 Aug 05, 17:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Actually Queen came on South American Tour (1981) to Argentina under fascist dictatorship... and at that time also in Chile (where i live) there was a fascist dictator (Pinochet) and Queen didn't came here.

What i mean is if Queen never like communist, they never should played at Hungary, but also they played at countries under dascist dictatorship (such as Spain, Argentina).

Well, i never understood that, but it's not my problem. Actually we don't came here to talk about politics, but yes about Queen's music.

Greetings to all.

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Posted: 18 Aug 05, 18:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yeah! You're a Commie Pinko If you don't Like Queen!

*sorry couldn't resist*


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Posted: 18 Aug 05, 22:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I have an interview on my computer with Freddie Mercury from the early-80's...and when asked where he'd most like to play, he said "Russia and China"...but of course stated that for obvious reasons, neither gig would ever happen...he said in particular that the Russians had said that they would "corrupt their youth" which led to this amusing exchange

Interviewer: "And you probably would."
Freddie: "Haha, yes, yes.....it's our job, dear."


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Posted: 19 Aug 05, 00:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Communism?!!!
Yes, we are different, but time has changed...

As far as I know, almost every young Chinese has heard various covers of WWRY, and they love it to bits, yet most of them have no idea of where it comes from...

If you're a football fan, you probably love WATC, but you assume it one of European club teams anthem:(

Love Of My Life was featured in a Taiwan pop TV series which caused frenzy across mainland China few years ago,the song was the most favorite but many people don't know it's a Queen number:(

Even the into and the first few lines of Too Much Love Will Kill You (from MIH) was featured in a brand shampoo TV ad featuring a famous Hong Kong actor, but still, I guess most of the audience don't know it.

IMO, Western Pop attracts a wider audience in China, but Rock has less. And among the rock fans, many of them LOVE Queen, but I dunno if they are Crasy about them. The Beatles, Elvis, Pink Floyd, Gun'n'Roses, Metallica,and the like may be more popular.The Beatles are even introduced in History text books with a live photo!!! Everyone knows them! Live Aid and Jacko was included in English textbooks.

In China, there are only LIMITED bootleg Queen materials, even less than many other acts (not to say AUTHORISED materials, since most of them are not officially released in China). Can't Get Enough!!!

As for gigs, there aren't even many FOREIGN acts come to China! Communism vs. Capitalism? That's the case in the past, clashes of ideologies and lack of mutual understanding. But China is now more open, the Stones even scheduled a gig in 2003,only canceled due to SARS, and Elton John just toured China last year.

I heard that in 1986 Queen intended to come to China but was substituted by George Michael, how I mourn for this!!!

Sometimes I thought if Freddie were still alive, Queen might...sigh

(Sorry for such a long, dreary post...but I just can't help...)

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Posted: 19 Aug 05, 04:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Queen were VERY popular in Czechslovakia (and still are among Top 3 favourite bands here) but there was no way the communistic government would allow them to play here in 1986. I think we had concerts of Tina Turner and Duran Duran and that was it. Rock bands were considered as a threat for communism.

Pope probably helped to beat the communism but he wasn't a major influence here - we're possibly the most atheistic country in the world :-) The fall of communism was unavoidable, the country was in deep shit and the citizens knew it. At first some huge demonstrations and then came our Velvet Revolution on 17th November 1989.

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Posted: 19 Aug 05, 05:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'm from Romania, an ex-communist country as well. I don't know if Queen ever intended to come to play Romania (I don't think they did though), but even if they'd wanted to, I guess there wouldn't have been any way for them to do that. They simply wouldn't have been allowed to. It was true that some foreign pop singers came to play our country, but they were never rock musicians. I guess rock was considered a threat. Young people weren't allowed to wear funny clothes or long hair - how could the communist regime allow a band of long-haired leather dressed rockers "corrupt their youth"? It's a sad thing that even the elder generations were thinking (and still are) this way. I remember two years ago, when my grandma saw Hammersmith Odeon 1975 on TV he was so shocked seeing Freddie's black nails, she stopped liking Queen's music (which she did, for a fact). Hmmm, and this was waaaay after the fall of the communist regime...
Nevertheless, young people knew who Queen were and enjoyed their music. When some EMI records made in India would come to the stores, then there
would be a great interest in them, people would hurry up and make the queue to buy them. Of course, there were no original releases available, but Indian EMI discs or Bulgarian vynil releases were pretty good (Heaven knows why Bulgarians were releasing rock albums under EMI license and we weren't). My father even remembers to have seen Live At Wembley broadcasted on TV back in 1986!
Nowadays, record players are not made anymore in my country, hence many record owners who lost their players use to sell them to second hand merchants. As my record player is still in good health, I can only say I benefitted out of this situation and completed my vynil collection But I was stunned to see there were LOADS of A Night At The Opera, Greatest Hits I and The Game records in store. And all of them were brought to Romania during the communist regime! Just coudn't believe my eyes...
As for the fans, it seems there was a Queen fan club in here, early in the 90s (now gone and I'm trying to resurrect it). It was hard to make a breakthru, but when I made it, I was surprised to find out how many Romanian fans are nowadays still in love with Queen.
So living in an (ex-)communist country doesn't mean you never heard of Queen. Not at all...


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Posted: 19 Aug 05, 05:43 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Elton John, Cliff Richard, Tom Jones have played in Russia in 70s also Scorpions, Nazareth, Modern Talking in 80s (guys from Germany knows this band, I think), The Beatles and Queen were very popular here...

By the way some of Queen singles and albums were officially released in USSR.

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Posted: 19 Aug 05, 09:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Serry... wrote:

There are some Russians on this board, one of them called Serry.

Do you really think that if we have had communism - that means we didn't know who are The Beatles or Queen...? OMG...


All I did was ask. That's how you learn. I was just wondering because Queen never played in Russia or China did they?


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Posted: 19 Aug 05, 11:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You know the answer - no, they didn't. Brian and Roger did. McCartney and Ringo Starr did. Rolling Stones and Deep Purple did...

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Posted: 19 Aug 05, 14:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Arlene R. Weiss wrote:

Yeah! You're a Commie Pinko If you don't Like Queen!

*sorry couldn't resist*


That's for me?...

If it was for me, of course i like Queen, and if i don't like them, i wouldn't be here.

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Posted: 20 Aug 05, 15:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Queen were VERY popular in Czechslovakia (and still are among Top 3 favourite bands here) but there was no way the communistic government would allow them to play here in 1986. I think we had concerts of Tina Turner and Duran Duran and that was it. Rock bands were considered as a threat for communism.

Pope probably helped to beat the communism but he wasn't a major influence here - we're possibly the most atheistic country in the world :-) The fall of communism was unavoidable, the country was in deep shit and the citizens knew it. At first some huge demonstrations and then came our Velvet Revolution on 17th November 1989.


did queen make a number one album or single in czechslovakia?



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Posted: 20 Aug 05, 15:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Maruga_Mercury wrote:

Arlene R. Weiss wrote:

Yeah! You're a Commie Pinko If you don't Like Queen!

*sorry couldn't resist*


That's for me?...

If it was for me, of course i like Queen, and if i don't like them, i wouldn't be here.

From Chile.


That remark was not intended for you or anyone in particular.

It was a general joke ''you'' like when a comedian says this which I used to hear Carroll O'Connor who portrayed Archie Bunker on the USA comedy ''All In The Family''.

Geez...I was just having fun with the topic. People take things so damn personal.


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Posted: 20 Aug 05, 18:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Arlene R. Weiss wrote:

Maruga_Mercury wrote:

Arlene R. Weiss wrote:

Yeah! You're a Commie Pinko If you don't Like Queen!

*sorry couldn't resist*


That's for me?...

If it was for me, of course i like Queen, and if i don't like them, i wouldn't be here.

From Chile.


That remark was not intended for you or anyone in particular.

It was a general joke ''you'' like when a comedian says this which I used to hear Carroll O'Connor who portrayed Archie Bunker on the USA comedy ''All In The Family''.

Geez...I was just having fun with the topic. People take things so damn personal.


Well sorry, i guess that was for me.

I dont' take the things so personal, and i don't understand yankee homour.

Finally i like to say that i don't like the dictator from right or communist, but also i don't like Bush's, Berlusconi's and Blair's politics. I think they're the real terrorist. I'm not supporting Al Qaeda, but its my opinion.

"El Pueblo Unido Jamas Sera Vencido".

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