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Posted: 03 Sep 05, 23:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

What were the TWO songs that were most "magical" and sent shivers down your back from the Three Queen Concerts Released on DVD/VHS?


Queen We Will Rock You:

Of the three concerts, Freddie was at his best vocally in this concert. Not surprisingly, this was also the best concert out of the three.

1. Save Me.

I really love Freddie's voice in this song. He has such a marvelous emotive voice, and he really tugs hearts in this song. One thing I find both funny, and cool is, you can see Brian May's face in the background as Freddie begins the song, and the expression on Brian's face mirrors how we feel about Freddie's performance: Freddie really pulls some heart strings with this song!


2. Jailhouse Rock.

Freddie can also Rock out and in this song, Freddie does probably the best version of Jailhouse Rock ever in the history of Rock n Roll! Brian May seems to agree, as he can't help but look at Freddie in amazement. Neither can we!



Queen on Fire Live at the Bowl

This was a pretty good concert, but vocally, Freddie is beginning to decline from his late 70s/early 80s prime. His voice is deeper, and if one closes their eyes, one can hear the '86 Wembley voice in some songs. In some songs, he has to resort to full-throttle power which is impressive and shows a completely different side to Freddie, but gone until '91's Innuendo is Freddie's sweet high angelic tenor voice.

1. Somebody to Love
The intro to Somebody to Love is eerie and haunting. It was "magical". He really throttles the power notes here in a deep, bursts of soul! Absolutely spine tingling good!

2. Fat Bottom Girls
This version of Fat bottom Girls may be even better than the original Jazz album version because Freddie sings this song not as a youth who sets out to conquer the world, but as a master singer who returns in full power and glory, singing with power, which fits this song very well.


Wembley 86

Freddie's vocal powers have declined considerably in this concert. His voice has completely lost his sweet angelic high tenor, and almost seems like a totally different voice. His voice is now suited for slow songs or medium range songs.

Freddie himself seems to be a changed man, from a few short years ago. Obviously his illness is now a central issue in his life, and he is a troubled man facing his mortality. He even acknowledges this when he states, "not bad for four aging Queens".

1. Who Wants To Live Forever.

A superb song by Brian May. One of their best. Freddie sings this song with authentic emotion. It fits Freddie's deeper voice and his more serious personality at the time. Freddie must have known of his illness, and you can't help but think that as he sung the words, he must've been thinking about his own mortality.


2. Tutti Frutti
A medium range song that Freddie absolutely KILLS.




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Posted: 04 Sep 05, 00:19 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Who Wants To Live Forever from Wembley, Save Me from Milton Keynes, '39 from Live Killers. Basically I agree with all your explanations!


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These reviews are wrong, off , and dumb.

A) No one except Freddie knows when he knew of his illness.

B) What you call the "best" and what someone else calls the best may be different.

Queen were hot as shit that night in Canada, but the audience were lame as hell... if you were at that show, standing there like "duh"... then you need your ass kicked as you were part of the most boring group of no rhythm white people ever assembled.

C) Freddie's voice at "Milton Keyes" in 1982 was not on the decline. Fred's voice is considered near perfect at that show..... just as his voice is considered to be great in 1975, 1976, 1977 (Houston) 1979 (Hammy), Live Aid (1985)....and Innuedo album in 90/91.

Fred may not have been hitting high notes in the 80's like he did in the 70's (due to age and smoking) the power was ALL THERE.

In fact, if you review studio records.... Fred's vocal output in decibles was MUCH STRONGER on, for example, "A kind of magic" then he was putting out on "A night at the opera"....

Fred's chest voice really got powerful in the mid 1980's.. by the time Innuendo rolled around, Fred had developed the strong chest voice, but also was hitting high notes he had captured in the 1970's.

Arguably, Freddie's voice may have been at its prime withing 12 months of his death.

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A) No one except Freddie knows when he knew of his illness.


By 1986, Aids was part of Freddie Mercury's life. We don't need to know exactly when he "knew" but surely by 1986, it was part of his life.



B) What you call the "best" and what someone else calls the best may be different.

Queen were hot as shit that night in Canada, but the audience were lame as hell... if you were at that show, standing there like "duh"... then you need your ass kicked as you were part of the most boring group of no rhythm white people ever assembled.


WHO CARES ABOUT THE AUDIENCE? I BARELY NOTICE THEM.


C) Freddie's voice at "Milton Keyes" in 1982 was not on the decline. Fred's voice is considered near perfect at that show..... just as his voice is considered to be great in 1975, 1976, 1977 (Houston) 1979 (Hammy), Live Aid (1985)....and Innuedo album in 90/91.



SORRY BUT IF YOU THINK FREDDIE'S VOICE IN 1982 WAS THE SAME AS HOUSTON 1979, YOU NEED SOME HEARING AID!

1982 voice clearly on a decline and resembled more like 1986's voice.


Fred may not have been hitting high notes in the 80's like he did in the 70's (due to age and smoking) the power was ALL THERE.


Singing with chest voice does not necessarily equate to power. Singing a high A with very little effort is much more powerful than singing it with full chest voice. The power that Freddie began to show from the early 80s on is nice, and a different side of him, and works with a lot of their songs. However, he had more difficult singing higher notes than in the 1970s.



In fact, if you review studio records.... Fred's vocal output in decibles was MUCH STRONGER on, for example, "A kind of magic" then he was putting out on "A night at the opera"....

Fred's chest voice really got powerful in the mid 1980's.. by the time Innuendo rolled around, Fred had developed the strong chest voice, but also was hitting high notes he had captured in the 1970's.



THAT IS BECAUSE FREDDIE WAS VIRTUALLY YELLING IN A LOT OF THE 80S ALBUMS. YELLING AND SINGING IS QUITE DIFFERENT. OF COURSE YELLING IS LOUDER. DUH.


Arguably, Freddie's voice may have been at its prime withing 12 months of his death.



WRONG. FREDDIE'S VOICE WAS AT IT'S PEAK IN THE LATE 70S TO EARLY 80S. AFTER THEN, IT DECLINED.

TO SAY FREDDIE WHO WAS DYING OF AIDS IN 1991 WAS AT HIS PEAK, IS RIDICULOUS.



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Sharon G said Queen were hot as shit that night in Canada, but the audience were lame as hell... if you were at that show, standing there like "duh"... then you need your ass kicked as you were part of the most boring group of no rhythm white people ever assembled.

Why no rhythm white people why put in a comment on colour is there a place for rascism in music no and i think u need your ass kicked because do u maybe think the could have been so into the awe and wonder of the music they where silent?

NO? well you dont seem like the type of person who takes everything into account !


it is so stimualating being your wig brian!
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Posted: 04 Sep 05, 09:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Somebody who loves, and I am a killer dumb ass-

Spelling anyone??

The famed Houston show was in 1977, not 1979 music expert.

HIV MAY, and that is a strong MAYBE been in Freddie's life in 1986 (although Freddie's mother, sister, lover, and personal assistant) says he found out in 1987..... but "AIDS" wasn't "part of his life" in 1986 dumb ass.

The no rhythm white people was a comment that meant everyone in the audience was pasty white, appeared to be non English speaking French Canadian's who all clapped out of time, didn't know the words, stood there looking like a dog watching a card trick.....Freddie himself, during Jailhouse Rock, seemed pissed with this weak ass audience.

By the way....I'm white myself.... so you will have to try something else to play the "race" card that everyone loves to try so much.

Somebody Who Loves (to whine) you are basically saying that Freddie sucked ass from the 1980's on, and only the 70's material is worth listening to...right??

Also, you are saying that by 1982, at Milton Keyes, his voice was starting to sound bad, he was on a major decline in the vocal department... and by 1985's Live Aid.... the man virtually couldn't sing.

You also mean that by 1986, when songs such as One Vision, Who wants to Live Forever, One year of love, Princess of the Universe...etc..etc... the man had no singing voice left....HE HAD TO RESORT TO SHOUTING... because, well, as you said, his voice started to fail at 1982's Milton Keyes.

By 1990/91, when Innuendo, and Made and Heaven songs were recorded you, "Somebodywholoves" was just sick that they let Freddie sing, as Freddie proved his bad voice, had just gotten worse... songs such as The Show Must Go On, These are the days of our lives, Headlong, Mother Love, A Winter's Tale, Don't try so hard...etc..etc...

Were virtually ruined by a ill Freddie, whose voice started a rapid decline at Milton Keyes in 1982.

Somebodywholoves really can only stand to watch the We Will Rock you, 1981 Canada DvD (consistently rated by fans and critics as Queen's worst release due to poor camera and weak audience) ....as Freddie's voice ruined all future releases...and dvd's such as Milton Keyes (rapid voice decline) and Wembley (deals with Aids) just doesn't compare 81's We will Rock You.

Now that I have summarized your thoughts, lets open the floor to discussin of YOUR THOUGHTS Somebodywholoves.

(who is probably Vivial, Knoxville, or the Spermed Poodle)





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The famed Houston show was in 1977, not 1979 music expert.



Sharon G - is G for Grotesque? Ghastly? Ghoulish?

All three fit you to a T.


HIV MAY, and that is a strong MAYBE been in Freddie's life in 1986 (although Freddie's mother, sister, lover, and personal assistant) says he found out in 1987..... but "AIDS" wasn't "part of his life" in 1986 dumb ass.




By 1986, Freddie may not have had AIDS but the point is, HIV/AIDS was a part of his emotional and mental life. How could it not? You are the dumb ass if you think you must acquire AIDS to have it part of one's life.

Think about the anxiety, and turmoil Freddie must have felt as he wondered whether he was infected or not?




The no rhythm white people was a comment that meant everyone in the audience was pasty white, appeared to be non English speaking French Canadian's who all clapped out of time, didn't know the words, stood there looking like a dog watching a card trick.....Freddie himself, during Jailhouse Rock, seemed pissed with this weak ass audience.

By the way....I'm white myself.... so you will have to try something else to play the "race" card that everyone loves to try so much.


As I stated before, who cares about the Audience? Who watches a concert to watch the Audience?


Somebody Who Loves (to whine) you are basically saying that Freddie sucked ass from the 1980's on, and only the 70's material is worth listening to...right??



No Sharon the Ghoul. You obviously love to jump to conclusions. I never said he sucked ass. However, I unequivocally do say that YOU SUCK ASS!


Also, you are saying that by 1982, at Milton Keyes, his voice was starting to sound bad, he was on a major decline in the vocal department... and by 1985's Live Aid.... the man virtually couldn't sing.


His voice started to get deeper, and was a mixture of 1977's Houston, and 1986 Wembley. In the 1982, 1984, and 1986 albums, Freddie's voice was different from the previous ones. Do you deny this? When did the voice start to change? Around 1982. Milton Keyes concert shows this transition.




You also mean that by 1986, when songs such as One Vision, Who wants to Live Forever, One year of love, Princess of the Universe...etc..etc... the man had no singing voice left....HE HAD TO RESORT TO SHOUTING... because, well, as you said, his voice started to fail at 1982's Milton Keyes.


I never said he had no singing voice left. But it is true that on the '86 album, he shouted A LOT. On virtually every high note, he had to shout. This is different from Singing.



By 1990/91, when Innuendo, and Made and Heaven songs were recorded you, "Somebodywholoves" was just sick that they let Freddie sing, as Freddie proved his bad voice, had just gotten worse... songs such as The Show Must Go On, These are the days of our lives, Headlong, Mother Love, A Winter's Tale, Don't try so hard...etc..etc...

Were virtually ruined by a ill Freddie, whose voice started a rapid decline at Milton Keyes in 1982.



You stated that Freddie was at his peak in 1991.

A man, dying of Aids in 1991, was at his peak. Better than the time of 1975 ANATO.

I think that says everything concerning your piss poor judgement. And why you should not be taken serious, Sharon the Ghoul.





Somebodywholoves really can only stand to watch the We Will Rock you, 1981 Canada DvD (consistently rated by fans and critics as Queen's worst release due to poor camera and weak audience) ....as Freddie's voice ruined all future releases...and dvd's such as Milton Keyes (rapid voice decline) and Wembley (deals with Aids) just doesn't compare 81's We will Rock You.

Now that I have summarized your thoughts, lets open the floor to discussin of YOUR THOUGHTS Somebodywholoves.

(who is probably Vivial, Knoxville, or the Sperm

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Posted: 04 Sep 05, 13:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

SomebodyWhoLoves wrote:


A) No one except Freddie knows when he knew of his illness.


By 1986, Aids was part of Freddie Mercury's life. We don't need to know exactly when he "knew" but surely by 1986, it was part of his life.




I hate to call you dumb but I have to agree with Sharon and think you kinda bring it on yourself because surely it isn't a fact that he must've known by then. Maybe that changes your perspective on the song but you shouldn't speak in absolutes when discussing opinions.


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This is a good debating thread, let's try to make it friendlier. I think by the crazy tour his voice was getting "huskier" (my technical term for the 80's freddie) I say his voice was in a decline from the News tour when he was at his peak. That's my opinion. I think it's a tragedy because he was amazing, could hit amazing highs (Chorus of it's Late, spread your wings) sing amazinng emotion filled ballads with a voice that was so soft but never went too high nor too low, it was near perfect. Then he ruined it smoking in my opinion. I think the bicycle race is a great reminder of the tail end of that period. During 80's does he sound like shit? No, just not as good as he was... I was gonna say like Michael Jordan in the late 90's because he wasn't averaging 37 points and blocking 100 shots and stealing 200 balls a yr but that wouldnt be right because he improved over all as he aged. I guess a better comparison would be Jordan in his prime compared to Jordan in 2001 when he had knee problems and yendonitis and stuff. I watched like 85% of the games those two seasons and he was really good as an individual (yeah the team sucked I know) but he just wasnt as good as he was and thats kind of like Freddie in the 80's to me.

Maybe it's a personal preference, I prefer a higher voice than a deeper one. He had some highlights during that period (well the tail end) I love La Japonoise from Barcelona, he sings that first verse so lovely. How can I go on is one of my absolute faves. But thats the tail end of the period, I'm not certail but I think he had stopped smoking around that time and perhaps his voice was making a somewhat recovery from the problems with polyps and stuff I've heard he had.

The Miracle his voice improved a tad, I have to debate if it was better than Barcelona but his high were a little better and almost reminiscent of the News of the World era (exhibit A being It's Late and Spread your Wings) but by Innuendo...and let me prefeace this by saying I don't think he made a full recovery, maybe the permanent damage from the abuse he put his voice through was done...but by Innuendo he was hitting notes almost identical to the one's he was hitting during the News era (listen to the highest parts of It's Late and Spread your wings if you don't believe me) and had very pleasent lower voice which was filled with emotion like on Ride the Wild Wind and I'm going slightly Mad< And a decent falsetto (Don't Try so Hard) filled with feeling which wasnt quite as good as on earlier Tracks like Nevermore or Lilly of the Valley but was still extremely good. Overall he was great during "the last 12 months" of his life and if it wasnt his peak it wasn't far from it, I think maybe age more than AIDS keeps iit from being classified as his peak but he was amazing then. That's just my opinion dears, take it as you wish.

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SORRY BUT ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT BY 1986, THE HIV/AIDS "CLOUD" DIDN'T AFFECT FREDDIE IS A MORON, AND AN IDIOT.

Do you think that until Freddie received a confirmation of his HIV in 1987, he was walking around without a clue that he MIGHT have HIV Infection????


Which is more dumb scenario:

A> Freddie wakes up one day in 1987, and suddenly decides to get tested for AIDS/HIV.

or
B> Freddie knew that he might be infected, and quietly takes tests. Privately, he is emotionally in turmoil at the POSSIBILITY he might be infected.


FYI, by calling me "dumb", you think scenario "A" is what occurred.

I am not saying that Freddie KNEW FOR SURE he had AIDS/HIV in 1986!!

But I am sure that by 1986, Freddie knew he might have had AIDS/HIV because his friends were dying of it!








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Posted: 04 Sep 05, 14:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

SomebodyWhoLoves wrote:

SORRY BUT ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT BY 1986, THE HIV/AIDS "CLOUD" DIDN'T AFFECT FREDDIE IS A MORON, AND AN IDIOT.

Do you think that until Freddie received a confirmation of his HIV in 1987, he was walking around without a clue that he MIGHT have HIV Infection????


Which is more dumb scenario:

A> Freddie wakes up one day in 1987, and suddenly decides to get tested for AIDS/HIV.

or
B> Freddie knew that he might be infected, and quietly takes tests. Privately, he is emotionally in turmoil at the POSSIBILITY he might be infected.


FYI, by calling me "dumb", you think scenario "A" is what occurred.

I am not saying that Freddie KNEW FOR SURE he had AIDS/HIV in 1986!!

But I am sure that by 1986, Freddie knew he might have had AIDS/HIV because his friends were dying of it!






I was speaking about your original quote, this one:

SomebodyWhoLoves wrote:


Freddie must have known of his illness, and you can't help but think that as he sung the words, he must've been thinking about his own mortality.


But let's get off that and get back to what I think is a much better debate (and one taht causes less friction) on freddie's voice and if different (like in the 80's) is a bad thing. (about the quote from somebodywho loves I posted, it could also mean he knew about the disease HIV/AIDS, he doesnt say definitively he knew he had it so I am a dumbass for saying he said that)

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On my We Will Rock You DVD in the commentary section, at the Canadian concert there were, if I recall correctly, 12 cameras using 35mm film that only lasted six minutes each. Thus there was a lot of stage activity besides what Queen was doing. It said Freddie apologized for the interruptions to the audience throughout, which, of course, was not included in the final edit. Perhaps this was part of the reason the audience was not so enthused. Two concerts were filmed over two nights, so the filmmaker wanted Queen to wear the same outfits so he could edit the best parts for the final version. On the second night toward the end Freddie came out in those outrageously tight and beautiful white shorts which he had not worn the night before. Freddie - always in control. Queenzoners, please jump in with any corrections to my view.


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Posted: 04 Sep 05, 15:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Where is your anger from, Queen lovers?... - that negative... Every man has his own opinion.


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We will rock you DVD sucks
Milton Keynes is absolutely great and Wembley is awesome.
Somebodywholoves...did yoou hear One Vision, In the Lap Of the Gods,etc...form Wembley...Freddie sang wery well...are you deaf??
Innuendo has a wonderful voice sound...although in the studio you can do a few tricks to make a bad singer into a good singer...this is not Freddie´s case ...he was, is and will be the greatest singer ever!



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I have to agree about the audience comment on we will rock you. when you watch it you sit there thinking...come on people, what's with you, you went through the trouble and expense to be there and your sitting there like you are watching kids perform at a school play. i think the audience detracts me from enjoying the dvd.

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I agree with your ideas about Tutti Frutti.
An absolutely rockin' cover, and my fave tune from the Magic tour.


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