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Posted: 05 Sep 05, 02:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

In looking at the list of songs performed at the Freddie Mercury tribute concert, I can't help but think that Brian May was using the event in part to promote himself. For instance, there were a lot of non-hits played at the concert that were credited to Brian May (e.g. Too Much Love Will Kill You, Las Palabras de Amor, I Want it All, '39, etc.) These songs were played in place of more popular Queen songs. During a lot of these songs the audience looked kind of bored.

I also question the fact that Brian is endlessly promoting the song "Tie Your Mother Down". For instance, it was played at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony. In truth, I am not surprised that the song was never a hit. Among other things, it lacks any sort of memorable melody, is not very original and drones on and on without any syncopation in the in the rhythm. Interestingly, I heard a re-mix of it done by Nine Inch Nails that had the guitar lines taken out of it. Without all of that over-dubbed guitar crap on top on it, I was surprised at how well Freddie actually sings the song. There is a sort of raw quality in his voice that you couldn't hear before. Sometimes less is more.

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Posted: 05 Sep 05, 03:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Tie Your Mother Down isnt the closet song you think it is. Its probably their most popular hard rock song, and that attracts alot of people these days. If he tried to promote Queen by doing songs like Seaside Rendesvous all the time, he wouldnt get really far. Brian's sound probably fits better with todays sound then Freddies does. Thats my guess.


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Posted: 05 Sep 05, 05:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

i agree partially about the amount of brian songs in the freddie tribute
i was amused when brian said about too much love 'it's the best thing i have to offer' i think what he was thinking was 'i'm playing it cos it is my next single release'




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Posted: 05 Sep 05, 06:30 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Riiiight. maybe Brian was trying to promote his work, didnt really analyse it that much seeing as the obvious focus of attention was Freddie! Plus 'fraid we have to agree to differ on the TYMD front. It happens to be one of my favourite songs, whenever it's played it certainly gets me in the party mood :D


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Posted: 05 Sep 05, 07:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

This is a stupid topic. How can you guys think that Brian was thinking of only himself? I can't believe how some of the younger fans come up with these RETARDED notions in their heads. Why can't you ask more important questions and bring up better topics like their music, tours and musicianship. That's what this band is all about. But NO... we have to delve into the minds of these guys and come up with silly little thoughts about why they did this or why they did that. Who cares!!! I never in ALL my years as a fan, 30 years, have I ever thought Brian did this for his own benefit or Roger put out solo albums for his own. Come on... stop being so petty!

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Posted: 05 Sep 05, 07:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

If it was that poor a song Trent Reznor wouldn't have noticed it to even bother remixing it now would he?

And, given Dave Grohl joined them at the Rock n Roll Hall Of Fame, I think it boiled down to what song would suit best, and other than perhaps Now I'm Here, I think Tie Your Mother Down suits Dave Grohl to a big fat capital T. And, in my opinion, other than perhaps Brian's cool version on Another World Live on VH1, it is by far the best non-Freddie verison I have heard to date. And, it was called the Rock n Roll Hall Of Fame, and last time I checked, Tie Your Mother Down is in fact, as songs go, pretty rock n roll.

In fact, since I heard Shinedown's version on the tribute album, I've had a renewed appreciation for the song.

Fuck it, I think it's class.

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Posted: 05 Sep 05, 07:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote


In fact, Fredie encouraged Brian when he wass ill to promote his new album and single as much as possible... So Brian wouldn't have mind playing Too much love on the tribute.

And i don't mind eather... It was a great song on a great moment...

And for 39, i thin that was George Michaels idea to play that. Queen didn't play just the hits, but tried to fit songs to the performing artists, thats why Zuchhero got Las papabras de amor.

Too bad thay had to drop A kind of Magic, which would be sung by Roger, though...



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Posted: 05 Sep 05, 09:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"Too much love will kill you" was played for the first time ever at the Tribute Concert, it was a complete new song for the day, and the most emotional moment of the day.

"Tie Your mother down", wether you like it or not people expected to hear that one, and it`s one hell of a song to be played live.

The only reason for a band to reduce the guitar harmony parts on Queen songs it`s because they don`t know shit about harmonization!

But in the end i think you guys are prabably right, they should have extended the show for five hours and play all their classics just to please every Queen fan.

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Posted: 05 Sep 05, 12:03 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

tiffmoab wrote:

In looking at the list of songs performed at the Freddie Mercury tribute concert, I can't help but think that Brian May was using the event in part to promote himself. For instance, there were a lot of non-hits played at the concert that were credited to Brian May (e.g. Too Much Love Will Kill You, Las Palabras de Amor, I Want it All, '39, etc.) These songs were played in place of more popular Queen songs. During a lot of these songs the audience looked kind of bored.

I also question the fact that Brian is endlessly promoting the song "Tie Your Mother Down". For instance, it was played at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony. In truth, I am not surprised that the song was never a hit. Among other things, it lacks any sort of memorable melody, is not very original and drones on and on without any syncopation in the in the rhythm. Interestingly, I heard a re-mix of it done by Nine Inch Nails that had the guitar lines taken out of it. Without all of that over-dubbed guitar crap on top on it, I was surprised at how well Freddie actually sings the song. There is a sort of raw quality in his voice that you couldn't hear before. Sometimes less is more.

Tiffmoab


Too Much Love Will Kill You was a hit. And I Want It All was one of Queen's biggest hits in the 80's (got to number 3 here in the U.K).

Las Palabras De Amor was played because it suited Zucchero.

And '39 wasn't even single so it couldn't have been a hit.

And the audeince wern't bored during any of those sonsgs as far as I could see. Especially '39 and I Want It All.

And Tie Your Mother down wasn't a hit, no. Then again neither was Spread Your Wings and no one can fault that song. Punk was in then, Queen wern't. taht had something to do with their chart places. For whatever reason you have decided you don't like TYMD and so have decided that the whole FMT was a sham to promote Brian as a song writer. You have to much time on your hands.


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Posted: 05 Sep 05, 14:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

tiffmoab wrote:

I can't help but think that Brian May was using the event in part to promote himself. During a lot of these songs the audience looked kind of bored.

I also question the fact that Brian is endlessly promoting the song "Tie Your Mother Down".


I know you're only posting your kind of topics to make people react. And when they do, you sit back and have a big laugh about it.
Anyhow, I can imagine you did NOT see the Tribute when it was broadcasted, let alone be there at Wembley Stadium yourself. Well, along with 76.000 fans I WAS there. And millions were watching at home. How dare you even suggest this Tribute was merely there for Brian to promote "his" songs. It was only months after Freddie's death. The Queenworld and even beyond that, mourned about his death. Don't even try to understand how Brian, Roger and John felt in that period, having gone through losing Freddie during his last years. I bet you did not get the emotion during the show and when the artists thanked the three members of Queen. If you think the audience looked bored, you probably were watching it with all your senses turned off.
Tie your Mother down... did you see any of the Queen + Paul Rodgers concerts lately? From the first sound of Brian's guitar until the last one of that song, the COMPLETE audience was wild of enthusiasm, jumping, waving, dancing, singing along. Why do you think this song is the first track of an album?




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Posted: 05 Sep 05, 15:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think Tie Your Mother Down is one of the quintessential Queen songs, one that didn't necessarily have to be a huge it to make it great. It was always a crowd pleasing song - which had nothing to do with Brian trying to promote his own work. And I doubt that any of them had motives to get their own songs played at the Tribute concert. It was about grieving for their friend, not anything superficial.


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Posted: 05 Sep 05, 16:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I agree with chewing gum bum.

Brian wasnt full of himself that night. He intruduced TMLWKY that night. TYMD is one of Queen's biggest hits and one of their hardest rock songs. A lot of people know it so of course they had to start off the Hall of Fame with it. As for the other songs, they were also popular songs that a lot of people know, so Brian played them because they were probably emotional to him so he would want to play them.


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Posted: 05 Sep 05, 16:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

TYMD was a song to prove they could still hammer it out and a crowd pleaser. Wasn't TMLWKY a bit of an direct/indirect ode to FM? I know 'Only the good die young' was.
Over the years BM has always come across as a considerate sort of person-and I can't believe he was that cynical. The Tribute concert was incredibly emotional, by virtue of the packed audience-and those 'stars' who were there and sung were almost certainly there to join with us mere mortals to hold a bloody good wake for FM. Nuff said..........Oh Happy Birthday Freddie, gone but not forgotten.


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Posted: 05 Sep 05, 16:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

This really makes me sick! Do some fucking research before you post a topic like this! TYMD is probably the best guitar riffed queen songs out there...it was played at every Queen concert since '77. I think Fred really loved performing it.

As for the rest of this bullshit topic...to think that Brian was 'self promoting' himself is just plain nonsense! First of all, 'I Want It All' was a huge hit all over, except for North America, where as usual, it got no radio support because Queen weren't touring!

TMLWKY was probably one of the best choices to play at the tribute for obvious reasons.


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Posted: 06 Sep 05, 02:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think that the intro on tymd (on the album) is f'ing awesome! Brian is a true master! I agree with what most pplz are saying. When I was a toddler, comming from a tiny dot in the ocean even then I knew all the words to I wan't it all! Who really cares if they were hits or not (even though they were) the point is they are great songs and thats why they were played!


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