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Posted: 14 Sep 05, 14:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

haha I really like Queen + Paul Rodgers, and I know that there have been many discussions about whether if it is Queen or not... so I´d like you to tell me if any of you have though about "How Can I Go On". It would be the same, but with Freddie & John...

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Posted: 14 Sep 05, 14:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sebastian and me wrote about it (as well as about RT+JD+Elton John tracks) on the next day after the fisrt news about Q+ PR Tour in 2004.

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Posted: 14 Sep 05, 14:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sorry about that... I wasn´t able to read your post!



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Posted: 14 Sep 05, 14:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

About what? I've just mentioned that some of us have had this thought too :)

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Posted: 14 Sep 05, 22:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

i think it`s not queen
queen is fred, john, bri and rog
so...montserrat + freddie and john is not queen
and, bri and rog + paul rodgers is not queen
i will not complain about the current tour, and if it`s right to tour under the name of queen, but, queen, that fabulous and giant band, died with freddie, in 1991
they can do what they want, because they were queen, and we`re just fans


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Posted: 15 Sep 05, 02:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

If that were so, then "It's An Illusion" would be a Queen track as well. And so would:

"Man From Manhattan" (Eddie Howell ft. FM & BM)
"You Nearly Did Me In" (Ian Hunter ft. FM, BM & RT) (wait, this IS pretty much a Queen track!)
"I Cry For You (Extended Remix)" (RT + JD)
"She Blows Hot And Cold (Alternative Version)" (FM ft. BM)
"Olympic Theme" (RT and JD)
"Smoke On The Water" (with Rock Aid Armenia) (BM + RT)
"The Stonk" (with Hale and Pace, et al) (BM + RT)
"Nothin' But Blue" (BM ft. JD)


Any others?

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Posted: 15 Sep 05, 03:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Guys! You forgot the following *really* Queen projects:
Larry Lurex - ALL FOUR members from Queen performed and recorded one track and three of them performed and recorded the other!!!
The Great Pretender - Queen + Peter Straker :)
Heaven for everyone (Cross) - it's not CROSS, but Queen + Cross :))
Also several Cross gigs, where Brian or Brian with John joined the band (3/4 of Queen!!!)
Then when Brian joined Roger on stage in Wolverhampton, March 1999.
Hysterically funny...


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Posted: 15 Sep 05, 05:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I consider Queen + PR as Queen,
I don't consider Freddie + John as Queen because they both have the most non-Queen sound


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Posted: 15 Sep 05, 06:08 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Fried Chicken, you talk bullshit!


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Posted: 15 Sep 05, 06:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

IMO Niek is spot on :P

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Posted: 15 Sep 05, 07:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well, Freddie wasn't responsible for the Queen sound, he did have the recognisable voice, but if you listen to his solo stuff you wouldn't tell it's the guy from Queen cause it doesn't sound like them at all..

John is just the bassplayer, and it's almost impossible to make a full sound with just a bass.


Brian is the most responsible for the Queen sound, with his guitar and his vocals. When he is singing in the harmonies it sounds like Queen, even on his solo stuff you can hear it's the Queen sound. When you hear Brian play, even in a group with other guitarists you can always pick him out, cause he has one of the most recognisable sounds ever

Roger also has a big part of the Queen sound in his vocals which blends great with Brian, listen to the harmonies in No one but You or Winters Tale. And also the drumming sounds like Queen. When Brian and Roger played with some one like Eric Singer on drums it didn't sound like Queen at all. When they played with Paul Rodgers at the tv show last year it just sounded like Queen. Rogers drumming sound and style are unique and imo very underrated


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Posted: 15 Sep 05, 09:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Queen + 'official CD or vinyl releases', before PR, add

Emotions in Motion
Love Lies Bleeding
Shove It (kind of Q+)
Killing Time
The tracks from GH 3 (STL, TSMGO, NOBY)
TATDOOL (bside on the STL Tribute)

WWRY/TYMD w/5ive
WATC w/RWilliams

The 46664 tracks

I'm too lazy to look up any others (or simply too forgetful) and not nearly as knowledgeable as John Stuart and others




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Posted: 15 Sep 05, 10:56 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Serry... wrote:

About what? I've just mentioned that some of us have had this thought too :)


I thought that I was repeating a topic! =D

It´s OK then!

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Posted: 15 Sep 05, 13:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

gmhmagic wrote:

Serry... wrote:

About what? I've just mentioned that some of us have had this thought too :)


I thought that I was repeating a topic! =D

It´s OK then!


I do not suppose all QZers to remember thousand of thousands replies and topics unless they're repeating every day :)

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Posted: 15 Sep 05, 14:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

antiden wrote:


Larry Lurex - ALL FOUR members from Queen performed and recorded one track and three of them performed and recorded the other!!!


What is the track with ALL FOUR members from Queen performed and recorded?

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Posted: 15 Sep 05, 15:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think - I might be wrong though - that one of the Larry Lurrex things is without John, the other is just Fred and the producer.

I've got a different theory about this discussion: Bohemian Rhapsody is not just Queen, it's Queen + Freddie + John. Same for most of the tracks and concerts.

To Niek:

> if you listen to his solo stuff you wouldn't tell it's the guy from Queen cause it doesn't sound like them at all..

That's utterly unfair: Fred deliberately wanted Mr Bad Guy to be a project way apart from Queen. Brian, on the other hand, deliberately wanted to sound like Queen in both of his solo albums.

> John is just the bassplayer

There's no such thing as "just" the bass-player imo. John was as important as the others, even if he wasn't as recognisable as Fred's vocals or Brian's RS.

> When he is singing in the harmonies it sounds like Queen

Same as I said before, Brian was deliberately recreating the Queen sound, as opposed to Roger and Freddie, who were going apart from there. It's like if, for instance, Fred's solo album would have been full of Queen II-like pieces performed with guitar orchestras and melodic bass-lines and Brian had decided to make Back To The Light a funk record, full of Dancers and Dragon Attacks.

> When you hear Brian play, even in a group with other guitarists you can always pick him out

Same for Freddie's voice, you can completely tell it's him even if he's singing at the same time with Bob Geldof and Bono (and it has happened).

> Roger also has a big part of the Queen sound in his vocals which blends great with Brian

Yes but imo those vocals don't sound quite Queen-like, unless they wanted them that way. I'm In Love With My Car is 100% Roger and sounds Queennie, Beautiful Dreams otoh is 100% Roger as well but doesn't sound Queennie. Roger and Freddie separated well their solo stuff from what they did for the band, unlike Dr May (not that there's anything wrong with any of the sides)

> And also the drumming sounds like Queen.

Not more than John's bass or Fred's piano. Not less either.

> Rogers drumming sound and style are unique and imo very underrated

True. So are John's sounds and style, and Fred's (in piano, not vocals).

All in all, I've come to the conclusion lately (and I'm sure all or most of the forum posters disagree) that Freddie was the weakest of the four when it came to live performances.

Don't get me wrong, I consider Freddie to be a incredibly original, capable and inventive creative musician (in terms of composer and arranger), and a wonderful studio man (in terms of double-tracking, producing and such). His piano playing was excellent (not virtuoso, but very good) and his voice was, in the studio, extremely powerful and extraordinary (especially, imo, in the Barcelona album).

BUT, on stage, I never found Freddie as being something "that" big, particularly in the 80s. His singing wasn't even close to his ability in the studio; for those who're going to ask me "can you do the same?", I can't, but loads of other singers hit the high notes live: Axl Rose, Bruce Dickinson, Ian Gillan, Bono (not that those are very high notes anyway), Roger Taylor and even Brian (listen to Love Of My Life in his solo tours, or Why Don't We Try Again). Considering Fred could, presumably, sing higher than Brian, it's absurd that Brian sang Cs and Ds on stage and Fred had to do thirds or fifths to avoid the C in 'Champions'.

I personally hate his stage antics. I respect everybody who finds his ridiculous dancing brilliant, but imo it's pointless. Some stand up at the stage to do music (Dave Gilmour), and I respect them. Some others put outstanding dance sequences (Jacko, Madonna...), and I respect them for that. IMHO, Fred tried to do both but, again, IMHO, he performed both in halves. Neither he excelled as a musician (for the points I already expressed) nor he did as an actor (if running around a stage


John hated HS. Fred's fave singer was not PR. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' Witness testimonies are often inaccurate. Scotland's not in England. 'Bo Rhap' hasn't got 180 voices.