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Posted: 26 Sep 05, 18:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Anybody like Phil Collins & Genesis here


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Posted: 26 Sep 05, 18:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I sure do.

I know many people don't like their mainstream pop era of the 80s, but regardless of whether their 70s progressive rock era was better or not, their 80s work was still superb.


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Posted: 26 Sep 05, 18:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I like both a lot, Phil solo and with Genesis. How does Phil Collins rate as a drummer?


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Posted: 26 Sep 05, 19:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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I like both a lot, Phil solo and with Genesis. How does Phil Collins rate as a drummer?


top class i would say id have loved phill instead of paul for the queen tour phil could have sang and rog played drums and vice verser


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Posted: 26 Sep 05, 19:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Lisser wrote:

I like both a lot, Phil solo and with Genesis. How does Phil Collins rate as a drummer?


top class i would say id have loved phill instead of paul for the queen tour phil could have sang and rog played drums and vice verser


No, no, no.

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In a word, Brilliant!


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Posted: 26 Sep 05, 19:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Much as I like Phil Collins, him singing Queen stuff is a definite NO CHANCE.


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Posted: 26 Sep 05, 20:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Anybody like Phil Collins & Genesis here


Absolutely, POSTIVELY ADORE them. (I did not like the incarnation with Peter Gabriel), but the incarnation with Phil Collins I have every album, and saw them in concert, braving a snow storm, January 1986..at their peak.

My favorite album....''3 Sides Live'' which WHY for some god forsaken reason, when it was reissued on CD format, they cut the songs from the 4th studio side, including ''You Might Recall' which I love.

That live album is proably my 2nd all time faborite live album by any artist, ties with The Allman Brothers Live At Fillmore East and Queen Live At Wembley Stadium.

I also saw Phil Collins solo in concert about 3 or 4 days AFTER Live Aid the first week of July 1985.

Both the Genesis concert and the Phil Collins solo concerts were outstanding.

FYI...Phil did about a ten minute ''DAY-O'' with the crowd at his concert that I loved.

I love Squonk, Abacab, Turn It On Again, Misunderstanding, Mama (especially when Phil did his ''evil laugh'' Ha ha Ha Blua Ha!), the live version medley of
Cinema Show/Slipperman/Afterglow, ADORE!!!! Me And Sarah Jane, Just A Job To Do and the UNEDITED long version of Home By The Sea.

GREAT Band, GREAT musicians, GREAT music.

Oh...and best light/laser shows ever in concert.

And Collins KICKS ass when he leaves the stage front singing lead...to do his STUPENDOUS drum solos.


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Posted: 26 Sep 05, 20:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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woo hoo wrote:

Anybody like Phil Collins & Genesis here


I love Squonk, Abacab, Turn It On Again, Misunderstanding, Mama (especially when Phil did his ''evil laugh'' Ha ha Ha Blua Ha!)


I always though that evil laugh killed the song for me, or at least I didn't get what was it all about. It sounded like Phil Collins had a very severe case of phlegm.

My favorite Genesis songs are 'No Son Of Mine', and 'Hold On My Heart'.


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Posted: 26 Sep 05, 20:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Arlene R. Weiss wrote:

woo hoo wrote:

Anybody like Phil Collins & Genesis here


I love Squonk, Abacab, Turn It On Again, Misunderstanding, Mama (especially when Phil did his ''evil laugh'' Ha ha Ha Blua Ha!)


I always though that evil laugh killed the song for me, or at least I didn't get what was it all about. It sounded like Phil Collins had a very severe case of phlegm.

My favorite Genesis songs are 'No Son Of Mine', and 'Hold On My Heart'.


I Love Hold On My Heart Too.

The evil laugh in Mama, was directed at a ficticious ex-lover woman who had ''done him wrong''.

But....Collins' solo song...''In The Air Tonight'', the lyrics, and power in that INCREDIBLE, legendary, thunderous, drum solo, is NOT ficticious. It was directed at Collins' first ex-wife and the VERY rancorous divorce he went through with her at the time.


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Posted: 26 Sep 05, 20:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I saw Phil last year in Columbus, OH. Great show!!

However, he wore this Dr. Evil jacket, and with his little bald head, I dunno, he just looked bizarre....

http://tkey.net/gallery/albums/phil1/23_G.jpg


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Posted: 26 Sep 05, 20:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Arlene R. Weiss wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Arlene R. Weiss wrote:

woo hoo wrote:

Anybody like Phil Collins & Genesis here


I love Squonk, Abacab, Turn It On Again, Misunderstanding, Mama (especially when Phil did his ''evil laugh'' Ha ha Ha Blua Ha!)


I always though that evil laugh killed the song for me, or at least I didn't get what was it all about. It sounded like Phil Collins had a very severe case of phlegm.

My favorite Genesis songs are 'No Son Of Mine', and 'Hold On My Heart'.


I Love Hold On My Heart Too.

The evil laugh in Mama, was directed at a ficticious ex-lover woman who had ''done him wrong''.

But....Collins' solo song...''In The Air Tonight'', the lyrics, and power in that INCREDIBLE, legendary, thunderous, drum solo, is NOT ficticious. It was directed at Collins' first ex-wife and the VERY rancorous divorce he went through with her at the time.


Not quite true, Arlene. Here is a quote from the Classic Albums - Face Value DVD from Phil himself about In The Air Tonight:-

I wasn’t even intending on writing a song, I just was fooling around and I got these chords that I liked and the sound. And the chords went with the sound. You couldn’t have played faster or slower than the sound allowed you to. So it sort of created itself. So I turned the microphone on and saw the meter move, that was a good sign, and I started singing. And the lyrics you hear were what I wrote spontaneously with the feeling of that music at that time. This frightens me a bit cause there’s obviously something going on there that I don’t know about, but I’m quite proud of the fact that I sang 99.9% of those lyrics spontaneously. And when someone says “Now tell me Phil, what is it really about” I say “I don’t know. I have no idea as I just made it up as I went along”




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Posted: 26 Sep 05, 21:00 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

They rock!!! :) :) :)


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Posted: 26 Sep 05, 21:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Arlene R. Weiss wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Arlene R. Weiss wrote:

woo hoo wrote:

Anybody like Phil Collins & Genesis here


I love Squonk, Abacab, Turn It On Again, Misunderstanding, Mama (especially when Phil did his ''evil laugh'' Ha ha Ha Blua Ha!)


I always though that evil laugh killed the song for me, or at least I didn't get what was it all about. It sounded like Phil Collins had a very severe case of phlegm.

My favorite Genesis songs are 'No Son Of Mine', and 'Hold On My Heart'.


I Love Hold On My Heart Too.

The evil laugh in Mama, was directed at a ficticious ex-lover woman who had ''done him wrong''.

But....Collins' solo song...''In The Air Tonight'', the lyrics, and power in that INCREDIBLE, legendary, thunderous, drum solo, is NOT ficticious. It was directed at Collins' first ex-wife and the VERY rancorous divorce he went through with her at the time.


Not quite true, Arlene. Here is a quote from the Classic Albums - Face Value DVD from Phil himself about In The Air Tonight:-

I wasn’t even intending on writing a song, I just was fooling around and I got these chords that I liked and the sound. And the chords went with the sound. You couldn’t have played faster or slower than the sound allowed you to. So it sort of created itself. So I turned the microphone on and saw the meter move, that was a good sign, and I started singing. And the lyrics you hear were what I wrote spontaneously with the feeling of that music at that time. This frightens me a bit cause there’s obviously something going on there that I don’t know about, but I’m quite proud of the fact that I sang 99.9% of those lyrics spontaneously. And when someone says “Now tell me Phil, what is it really about” I say “I don’t know. I have no idea as I just made it up as I went along”



Actually, do you think he would admit that to someone that would put it in print.. lol myself I may have said the exact same thing.. or perhaps it is like Queen's "Death On Two Legs" and his Ex sued him NOT to talk about her again.. I remember hearing about 4 different versions What Barracuda was written about, and each time it was told by Ann and Nancy.. but I am sure there is a bit of truth to Arlenes version and a bit to the one Phil said.. you NEVER know.


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Posted: 26 Sep 05, 21:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I like his work w/ Genesis twice as better as his solo stuff. I still have my Invisible Touch cassette I bought in 1986.

His early/mid-80's solo stuff was OK (I Missed Again, Don't Lose My Number, One More Night, I Don't Care Anymore) but I never really liked his late 80s stuff or any of his 90s stuff (Two Hearts, A Groovy Kind Of Love, Dance Into The Light, True Colors, I Wish It Would Rain Down...etc.)

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Posted: 27 Sep 05, 00:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I prefer Gabriel era Genesis but some of the Phil Collins era Genesis material was quite good. I like early Phil Collins solo work.
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Posted: 27 Sep 05, 01:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Arlene R. Weiss wrote:

My favorite album....''3 Sides Live'' which WHY for some god forsaken reason, when it was reissued on CD format, they cut the songs from the 4th studio side, including ''You Might Recall' which I love.


I was actually quite pleased when they cut out the studio songs for the reissue.

Because they originally made two version of the album. One that had "three sides live", and was meant for the global market, and one with four sides live which was for the uk market alone... I was glad to have both versions on cd.


Anyway... I'm looking forward to seeing PC in concert twice in in about two and a half weeks time.
Now I just have to wait for PG and a reunion of Genesis to come to Finland... :P

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Posted: 27 Sep 05, 05:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hey I love them too!
I went to Paris and soon go to Prague to see Phil!
The early Genesis albums are great (with Peter Gabriel), I hope Phil will play at least one Genesis song next month!!
My opinion is that you must like Genesis when you love Queen, and Pink Floyd and bands like these ones... Well it's my case ;)
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Posted: 27 Sep 05, 06:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Don't like the 80s albums, save few songs like "Home By The Sea", "Mama", few others... I found "We Can't dance" a good record, like Jingles I love "No Son Of Mine", but there are two nice epics on it- "Driving While you Sleep" and a really great "Driving The Last Spike"...
But 70s... man, can anything they ever recorded in 80s top "Watcher Of The Skies" or "Carpet Crawlers"? Not really...
I guess I was one of those few weird ones who really liked an album "Calling All Stations"...

Phil as a drummer is top class. Great, simple as that. Him singing Queen songs? Thank God not!

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Posted: 27 Sep 05, 07:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think Phil Collins is overrated as a drummer - so shoot me.


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Posted: 27 Sep 05, 09:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Bob The Shrek wrote:

I think Phil Collins is overrated as a drummer - so shoot me.


I agree, he's a very good drummer but not one of the best drummers ever. I see Phil Collins far more as a songwriter than a drummer.


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