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Posted: 14 Oct 05, 01:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

To Queen fans,
It is too bad that many gay people do not appreciate Freddie in the way that they they should. For instance, they are always acting like Cher and Barbra Streisand are so great, even though they are not even gay. Why don't they praise one of their own? Meanwhile, they refuse to recognize Freddie as a great musician and entertainer. Instead, they act like Madonna, who has very little musical talent, is so great instead.
It is so obnoxious to hear gay guys criticize Freddie for "not being openly gay". Since when was Freddie not open about this? I can cite three different quotes where he flat out admits it.
Are there any gay fans on this forum who would like to share their experiences/thoughts about this?

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Posted: 14 Oct 05, 03:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"It is too bad that many gay people do not appreciate Freddie in the way that they they should. For instance, they are always acting like Cher and Barbra Streisand are so great, even though they are not even gay."

I am straight, I really should not listen to a band whose lead singer was gay. Shouldn't I much rather listen to musicians "of my own" ?

Moreover, I am a woman and Queen do not even have a woman in their band. Should I not listen to Madonna or Blondie instead?

I hope you see that your idea that gay people automatically like Freddie's music only because he was gay is unrealistic.

As to the "openly gay" issue: Freddie always refused to answer questions about his sexual orientation. Although he never really denied it, he also never openly confirmed it. He said he wanted to keep the "mystique". The truth is that he was also a good business man and he did not want to alienate fans who might have a problem with it.


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Posted: 14 Oct 05, 04:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I heard that he never said the whole truth because of his parents who were deeply religious.

BTW I also noticed that there's a little aversion of Freddie in the gay community. My friend (he's bi) says for example that Freddie had played "the gay thing" to the extremes. He had fullfilled all the bad stereotypes (promiscuity, dreesing in drag, leather outfits etc.). It made the everyday of 'normal' homos very difficult.

Madonna is more a lesbian icon. B. Streisand has been always one of the big favourites. It's not problem, I think.

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Posted: 14 Oct 05, 06:36 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I have understood that Freddie treated his gay partners like shit. I don't he was too proud about being bisexual.


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Posted: 14 Oct 05, 07:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yeah. Some gay people who just want to lead a normal life might not identify with Freddie because he lived the gay scene to the extreme. So some of them might not see him as their best representative.


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Posted: 14 Oct 05, 07:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

everyone has own music taste,and it is not based on sexual preferences e.g. straight should listen to straight and gay should listen to gay.I think it was very clever that freddie left this kind of space for conjectures,because it is business and as long as it is showbusinnes it was his job to be in some cases a man of extremes,he let himself for what some of his fans could only dream of,and stars are to make people's dreams come true ,that's why there are idols,and fans.

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Posted: 14 Oct 05, 07:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote


I love Freddie. He had an excellent voice and excellent songwriting talent, not to mention the unique way he performed on stage. It could be argued that he was as flambuoyant as he was because he was gay, but I don't like him because he was gay. I like him because he is THE GREATEST SINGER WHO EVER LIVED. Don't even bother to argue with this statement.


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Posted: 14 Oct 05, 08:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Posted: 14 Oct 05, 08:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Whisperer wrote:

I have understood that Freddie treated his gay partners like shit. I don't he was too proud about being bisexual.


I read the opposite. Freddie was hurt so many times by his lovers.Alot of them took advantage of him and used him.


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Posted: 14 Oct 05, 08:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't think loyal2freddie is implying gay people should listen to Queen because Freddie Mercury was Gay or whatever he was, at all.

I happen to think that Freddie Mercury was an extremely icon figure to the general public, but because he partied and had many boyfriends, we gather he is gay. Therefore he is a gay icon also.

Wasn't Jim Hutton introduced as Mercury's Husband by Mercury himself?

Hold on right! If some male were to introduce another male as their husband - i think that is a pretty good clue, they might be homosexual. . .

Do correct me if I am wrong. . .




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Posted: 14 Oct 05, 08:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

loyal2freddie wrote:

It is so obnoxious to hear gay guys criticize Freddie for "not being openly gay". Since when was Freddie not open about this? I can cite three different quotes where he flat out admits it.


Ok, can you show us these quotes? It'd be interesting to read them.


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Posted: 14 Oct 05, 08:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

loyal2freddie wrote:

To Queen fans,
It is too bad that many gay people do not appreciate Freddie in the way that they they should. For instance, they are always acting like Cher and Barbra Streisand are so great, even though they are not even gay. Why don't they praise one of their own? Meanwhile, they refuse to recognize Freddie as a great musician and entertainer. Instead, they act like Madonna, who has very little musical talent, is so great instead.
It is so obnoxious to hear gay guys criticize Freddie for "not being openly gay". Since when was Freddie not open about this? I can cite three different quotes where he flat out admits it.
Are there any gay fans on this forum who would like to share their experiences/thoughts about this?



gay people are just human beings with their tastes, so being gay doesn't mean strictly appreciating anyone who's gay.
concerning some gay's reproach about freddie's blurred outing, I think it was part of his fierce defense of his private life not to talk about what he did between sheets, so it comes that at least in case of women or men lovers it behaved the same .


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Posted: 14 Oct 05, 11:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I never met a gay that liked the music of Freddie Mercury.

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Posted: 14 Oct 05, 12:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I love Freddie for his music his talent not for him being gay/bi that doesnt matter to me, in the long run we must never forget that he was the best showman rockstar in the world gay or not hes still my hero.


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Posted: 14 Oct 05, 12:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Gays don't appreciate Freddie (or Queen for that matter) because gay people have an awful music taste, therefore they like all the shitty music like Barbara Streisand, Cher, Madonna, and genres like techno, disco, and dance.

So whenever you hear someone saying... "that music sounds kinda gay", what they mean is:

"it sounds like CRAP".


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Posted: 14 Oct 05, 14:23 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

it is alot of crap about gays not liking freddie. everybody has different tasts in music no matter if they were gay of straight. and as madonna having not talent, THAT IS A LOAD OF CRAP! she's writes her own songs thankyou very much. she has been in the business for over 20years changing herself imagine and that's talent to keep yourself original with todays music styles.
and as for freddie i love him just as much as any other queen fan. and he didn't want to say he was gay or bi because he thought it would kill his career. elton john didn't come out until the earliy 90's. no one knew about rock hudson until the great actor died. rock stars and actors have imagine to live up to. for fans of all sexualiy.



and that's my two cents!


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Posted: 14 Oct 05, 15:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

the_hero wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Gays don't appreciate Freddie (or Queen for that matter) because gay people have an awful music taste, therefore they like all the shitty music like Barbara Streisand, Cher, Madonna, and genres like techno, disco, and dance.

So whenever you hear someone saying... "that music sounds kinda gay", what they mean is:

"it sounds like CRAP".


Rap/R&B/Hardcore/Bubbling is gay music then to me.



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Posted: 14 Oct 05, 15:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

YourValentine wrote:

"It is too bad that many gay people do not appreciate Freddie in the way that they they should. For instance, they are always acting like Cher and Barbra Streisand are so great, even though they are not even gay."

I am straight, I really should not listen to a band whose lead singer was gay. Shouldn't I much rather listen to musicians "of my own" ?

Moreover, I am a woman and Queen do not even have a woman in their band. Should I not listen to Madonna or Blondie instead?

I hope you see that your idea that gay people automatically like Freddie's music only because he was gay is unrealistic.

As to the "openly gay" issue: Freddie always refused to answer questions about his sexual orientation. Although he never really denied it, he also never openly confirmed it. He said he wanted to keep the "mystique". The truth is that he was also a good business man and he did not want to alienate fans who might have a problem with it.


First, I totally agree 100% with what Barb said.

2nd....here's one for you.

Freddie himself, was a fan of Liza Minelli, Liz Taylor (though she's an actress not a musician), Marilyn Monroe (also an actress), and Montserrat Caballe...all iconic women that Gay men like and so Freddie for whatever appeal certain female artists have for gay men, Freddie had the same tastes, as well as for disco music (though many straight people love disco, disco was born initially as a reaction and out of the New York gay counter culture).


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Posted: 14 Oct 05, 15:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Wow! To find such ignorance and bigotry in this day and age is astonishing and appalling!
'Gays' don't have an opinion on Freddie's coming out or not - most intelligent gay people understand the trauma of coming out, and that it's a personal choice to do so or not, and that everyone has their own reasons for making that choice, so a gay person lambasting someone for not coming out, highlights them as vacuus, and so not worth listening to.
As for 'gays' not liking Queen, that too is bollocks - all the gay guys I know love Queen. Of those that I've talked with, none of them like Queen JUST because Freddie was gay/bi/curious (though he was bent as a bottle of chips, whether anyone else likes it or not) but because the music is so good.
As for Cher/Kylie/Madonna, that's not music for 'gay' people - it's music for 'camp' people... you'll find the vast majority of 'gays' aren't camp and don't buy into the 'gay' ethos of listening to crap just because it's purportedly 'gay'. Sadly, there are a few that do, but they're just pointless, weak-minded cretins - their sexuality has nothing to do with it.
And me? Been a Queen fan since '75, been gay since the day I was born, been camp once and that was only for a laugh, been 'out' since 1987, work for a gay company, listen to prog rock, and I didn't attempt to shag Freddie when I met him. He wasn't my type. Much rather have Roger.
End of rant. Until next time...

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Posted: 14 Oct 05, 15:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Remember the annoying interview with the lady asking the same questions? (Champions Of the World) She asked if IWTBF was dedicated to the "gay world". And he answered with something like: No, it's not written for the gayworld at all, it's basically about everybody...besides it's not my song, John wrote it. *wink* *wink*


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