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Posted: 21 Oct 05, 06:12 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi guys and galls. I have a question. In case you find it stupid, please just skip this topic and I'm sorry for waisting your time.

My friend and I recently've been discussing Freddie's quotes, and as we came across "Gay as daffodil", we faced a complication. The thing is that we both are not native English speakers, so we cannot judge right. And I decided to ask people on this board - how do you guys think, which meaning Freddie wanted to put in this phrase? As I understand, it is pretty vague even for a native speaker, but I would like to know your personal interpretation.

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Posted: 21 Oct 05, 06:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The press asked him if he was gay and he gave a silly answer...

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Posted: 21 Oct 05, 07:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The daffodil is rare in the plant world in that it only mates with members of it's own sex - unless drunk, when they'll hump anything.

'Daffodil' is Latin for 'bumboy'.

Alternatively, he could be referring to 'gay' as in the 'jolly' sense of the word. The famous pirate ensign, the 'Jolly Roger', got it's name after 17th century buccaneer Roger Somerset, the gayest cove in Western England who, coincidently, used to leave a posy of daffodils as a calling card with all his conquests.

His portrait can be found hanging in the Taunton & District Municipal gallery, next to Bomber off 'Auf Wiedersehen, Pet'.

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Posted: 21 Oct 05, 09:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"The daffodil is rare in the plant world in that it only mates with members of it's own sex - unless drunk, when they'll hump anything.

'Daffodil' is Latin for 'bumboy'."

Wow if thats true then thats something new for me.




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Posted: 21 Oct 05, 11:59 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Even more interesting, in "I'm Going Slightly Mad," Fred said that 1,001 yellow daffodils began to dance in front of him. Could this be reference to his extraordinary number of male conquests throughout the years, now in his madness haunting him? Who knows.


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Posted: 21 Oct 05, 15:25 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Zoroaster, I had such an idea, too. But I thought it's just my personal impression.

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Posted: 21 Oct 05, 15:33 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Zoroaster wrote:

Even more interesting, in "I'm Going Slightly Mad," Fred said that 1,001 yellow daffodils began to dance in front of him. Could this be reference to his extraordinary number of male conquests throughout the years, now in his madness haunting him? Who knows.


jeez...so acute!


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Posted: 21 Oct 05, 16:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Heavens where do you people get all this shit!

Being gay in the early 70s was about as foreign to rock as possible beside Freddie loved to play the role of a rebel and loved to shock everyone.

But being a gay man myself we all love to shock and are incredibly mean-little gossips.

LOL!

BTW Freddie LOVED to gossip and he was never one to confide in especially if he was a bit jealous of you or your boyfriend.


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Posted: 21 Oct 05, 16:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think that it could be inspired by the poem of Romantic English poet called William Wordswoth,and the poem is entilted 'Daffodils" ,you can read it here :
http://www.blupete.com/Literature/Poetry/WordsworthDaffodils.htm
please remember that the word gay also means (or meant) merry.



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Posted: 21 Oct 05, 17:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I thought daffodils were the symbol of St. David. Bloody Welsh...


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Posted: 21 Oct 05, 17:40 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

'gay' apart from its current usage to mean homosexual, has an archaic meaning of 'happy' or 'jolly'. This is still occasionally used by, for instance, my grandmother's generation and giggled at by schoolchildren when reading Enid Blyton books. Freddie was making a play on that ambiguity, while at the same time being ambiguous himself.

Wordsworth's line 'A poet could not but be gay/In such a jocund company' simply describes the feeling of joy the daffodils' cheerfulness give him, and I think Freddie had probably picked up on that.

Although I liked Flashy's explanation too :-)


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Posted: 21 Oct 05, 18:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yes, that's a good explanation with a poem. Sounds the most plausive to me, and I also liked Flasy's explanation.Thanks!

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Posted: 21 Oct 05, 22:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Whatever "gay as a daffodil" used to mean, it now means "as gay as Freddie Mercury" which is to say, Very, VERY gay. ;)


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Posted: 22 Oct 05, 03:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

:)I guess so.

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Posted: 22 Oct 05, 17:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

dragonzflame wrote:

'gay' apart from its current usage to mean homosexual, has an archaic meaning of 'happy' or 'jolly'. This is still occasionally used by, for instance, my grandmother's generation and giggled at by schoolchildren when reading Enid Blyton books. Freddie was making a play on that ambiguity, while at the same time being ambiguous himself.

Wordsworth's line 'A poet could not but be gay/In such a jocund company' simply describes the feeling of joy the daffodils' cheerfulness give him, and I think Freddie had probably picked up on that.

Although I liked Flashy's explanation too :-)


I agree with both of you and Zoraster. But it's still whimsical and while pretty clear it's about being gay, it's sort of sweet, cheerful, yet intentionally humorous in a kind of self deferential, take the piss out of yourself kind of way to hear/read Freddie say that.


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