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Posted: 22 Nov 05, 11:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Produced by Roy Thomas Baker, the Queen influences have been much proliferated in the hype surrounding this forthcoming release, but has this convinced any Queen fans to buy it on those grounds? Personally, as a lover of rock music in general, and particularly Queen, I am not a fan of the Dorkness, and comparisons between Justin Hawkins and our very own FM simply make me laugh. Do they *really* sound like Queen? I think, definitely, most positively, not, but would be interested to hear what others think.

Indeed, there has been talk of Brian (and Roger?) wanting to collaborate with Justin Hawkins. God forbid, could there be a danger of JH stepping into Freddie's shoes, when Paul Rodgers realises the game is up?


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Posted: 22 Nov 05, 12:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hey stop ragging on justin hawkins hes 3 times more talented than that bum paul rodgers, i think the darkness are the best out today, so kiss justin hawkins ass you little greebo

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Posted: 22 Nov 05, 12:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'll definately be buying it - the live shows I've been to of theirs have been some of the most entertaining I've ever been to.

Musically, they are great, but lyrically, they struggle.


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Posted: 22 Nov 05, 12:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hmm...

I will not buy it.. I downloaded it, and it surprised me.. There are a lot of vocal harmonies and stuff.. but this is not the thing i expected..




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Posted: 22 Nov 05, 13:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

MRfMERCURY wrote:

Hey stop ragging on justin hawkins hes 3 times more talented than that bum paul rodgers, i think the darkness are the best out today, so kiss justin hawkins ass you little greebo

Such an eloquent contribution to the discussion. Congratulations! Obviously a Darkness fan!



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Posted: 22 Nov 05, 13:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I can only think of Ibex when I hear the Darkness. I'll be honest with you. Freddie Mercury was (singing-wise anyway) not anything special in those '69 recordings. Give these guys time.
My initial thought when hearing their first album was that they did some interesting things and that the 2nd album would convince me if they were shit or not.
I appreciate their sense of humour (especially their videos) and when they played over the road at the Big Day Out (I heard it all for free in my front yard) they were expectionally good, far better than the rest of the crap I heard that day.

I know they can get better, their main problems at the moment are;

*They claimed at the start that rock was too serious, and that they're purely in it to take the piss. But, we are expected to take them seriously as an act over other people that put their heart and soul into it? I think not. They need to choose - be a 'funny' band, and not be taken seriously, or at least have tongue-in-cheek or whatever... I dunno.

*The ego of Justin Hawkins gives me itchy balls I swear. If he were the best singer, or the best guitarist, I'd just say 'yeah, he can afford to be so cocky'. But... everything this band has done, other bands did 30 years ago - and they did it *better*. I know that these guys can give us music that is more individual, more their own thing, because I hear cool stuff in their recordings. But they're caught up in the stale idea that just parodying "Jump" by Van Halen and Brian May's orchestral guitar sound is going to turn people on.

*His rock falsetto isn't as good as Roger's. :D

They're a brilliant live act. They're pretty spiffy guitarists. But they're not interesting or original enough in my opinion to warrant the attitude they present. And I'm not a critic, I'm a guitarist.

I will most certainly listen to the new album because I liked the first one. I am just hoping that my faith in them will be rewarded, and that this album will not be merely as good as the first one, but rather be as good as I know they should be.


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Posted: 22 Nov 05, 13:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Lord Fickle wrote:

MRfMERCURY wrote:

Hey stop ragging on justin hawkins hes 3 times more talented than that bum paul rodgers, i think the darkness are the best out today, so kiss justin hawkins ass you little greebo

Such an eloquent contribution to the discussion. Congratulations! Obviously a Darkness fan!


I suppose i over reacted there, but i feel that most bands today are finding it hard and are struggling, i mean you do 1 thing wrong and people lose there faith in them and think there crap, i mean look at queen and the whole america thing. sorry about the last post

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Posted: 22 Nov 05, 15:06 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'll be buying it. I don't think they're anything approaching brilliant, but they amuse me. They're not a bunch of sadsacks like a lot of contemporary bands. And they do rock. How hard is a matter of opinion.


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Posted: 22 Nov 05, 15:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

ill buy it. i like the darkness and i dont care what people think. ok i dont think one way ticket is thier best song. but its about 8x better than the other shit in todays music world.

they are great live and i will see them again in february


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Posted: 22 Nov 05, 16:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

@MRfMERCURY - No problem. I just didn't want this to turn into a silly bitching contest!

dixie wrote:

i dont think one way ticket is thier best song. but its about 8x better than the other shit in todays music world.


Yes, I agree. The Darkness are leagues above most of today's crap, simply because they write their own songs, play their own instruments, and I hope don't take themselves too seriously. Their Christmas single last year was excellent! This thread wasn't intended to be a "Do you or don't you like The Darkness" thread, although, as I have made apparent, I'm not that much of a fan. What I was talking about was the comparisons which have been made to Queen, especially prior to the release of the forthcoming album, and whether Queen fans think this is merited. As I said, personally, I don't think it is, and I don't think JH is *that* good a singer. His falsetto is more like a schoolboy's vocal, *in my opinion*, and isn't particularly suited to the rock vocalist genre, when compared to, say Roger Taylor, Ian Gillan, Glenn Hughes, etc. I think he overdoes it, by singing half a verse in falsetto, for seemingly no apparent reason, other than that he can.


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Posted: 22 Nov 05, 16:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yes, I'm going to buy it and it will be outstanding and it will rock me out of my pants. I hope. Hmm.. I think it's going to happen :p
Yes, I am also a Darkness fan. They are currently the only rock band in the world that can really be called a rock band. They are different than any other band that's out there today. So they are going to make it. I think. I hope. Hmm... I think this is going to happen too :p

Ok, serious now. I think The Darkness are just the best of what's out there today, except the stuff that Queen does these days of course. There new album will be great, and it will be influenced by Queen. Beautiful.

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Posted: 22 Nov 05, 17:26 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Two points to make here

1) Are they good as Queen? No, no one ever will be. That's no reason to shit on them.

2) Are they better than most of the punk and emo crap that rock has become? Oh yea.

The Darkness fucking rock, and I can't wait to hear their new album


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Posted: 22 Nov 05, 17:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I downloaded the new single, as well as the two b-sides, off of their website.

I must tell you, that the difference between the first record, and these three songs is VAST. Permission to Land was a good record, but was very, very rough around the edges. The three tracks that I heard, The Single, Wanker, and Grief Hammer, are three completely different sounding songs, and all three sound great. Well performed, well produced, and pretty damn cool. Wanker, other that the multi tracked chorus, has NO falsetto in the verses at all, and HORNS!!

Grief Hammer is just bizarre. Starts out like an 80's Great White song, then turns into late 70's Kiss, with full falsetto!!!

Those who want to piss and moan simply need not buy the record.


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Posted: 22 Nov 05, 18:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'm buying there new album, woooooohoooooo!!! :P

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Posted: 22 Nov 05, 18:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'll get it, saw them in '04 and wondered "shouldn't they be using more dry ice...?"


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Posted: 22 Nov 05, 20:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

First Track, we have all heard...

Knockers - Kind of a straight ahead rocker. Lots of slide guitar, Great Harmonies leading up to the chorus. Chorus takes the over the top high stuff to a new level...Single written all over it....

Is It Just Me? - Starts off a steady rocker. Turns Def-Leppard meets Tiny Tim for the Chorus. A dead Brian-May esque solo in this one. Again, great. On second listen I like it even more. The best song Def Leppard never did.

Dinner Lady Arms - LOVE IT!!! Great beginning, but I feel that the insane harmonies in the chorus may well kill any single release. Very 80's Def Leppard-ish meets The Cure. The second best song Def Leppard never did.

Seemed Like A Good Idea At The Time - LOVE IT!! The strings take this one from the top. Think Love Is only a Feeling, only better. Killer Harmonies!!!











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Posted: 22 Nov 05, 23:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"Bald" is fucking awesome im really not joking its a really COOL song ! over all i lvoe the album they really matured. im buying the album for sure !!


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Posted: 22 Nov 05, 23:15 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I already bought every single album by Queen.

I don't think I need to buy them again, except this time with a crappy singer.


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Posted: 22 Nov 05, 23:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mr.Jingles wrote:

I already bought every single album by Queen.

I don't think I need to buy them again, except this time with a crappy singer.


That's nice.

I must tell you I'm pissed off at these guys now... I've been using horns and strings in my music since I was 17... bastards!


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Posted: 23 Nov 05, 00:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I bought their first album so I shall indeed check out their new one.

I can see some very small similarities between The Darkness and Queen in the track Friday Night but other than that, no. I'd actually like the idea of a collaboration between Queen+ and Justin. Maybe not a tour, but a few decent covers and maybe some original work.