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Posted: 12 Dec 05, 15:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I personally think that sharing is a good thing...but for some reason when I saw Minneapolis 80 shared today it angered me slightly. I aquirred the DVD 5 months ago and it was quite rare then...to get if of the person I did was like getting blood from a stone. Because Minneapolis is now shared, its basically worthless...as will Uniondale be when that is shared which surely is only a matter of days...how will we ever get the really really rare stuff if people keep sharing it on here....then there never will be any rarity? This sounds all well and good...but the real tight bastards will keep hold of there Lakeland 78, Monterrey 80, Fort Worth and Atlanta 77 DVD's...we will surely never get them?
Share them all though if you are going to share./
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Posted: 12 Dec 05, 15:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

With the advent of Torrents and Rapidshare/You Sendit/File Factory, audio trading at least has become extinct to a large extent. DVD seems a different kettle of fish.

My stance on trading is that it is down the owner of said gem whether they wish to share here or not.

Unfortunately when someone has an item someone else wants and stubbornly refuses to negotiate a trade it causes problems...



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Posted: 12 Dec 05, 15:54 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I don't know if I would call it unfair, but I can understand where you are coming from.

Once something is on ebay I would rather see it shared here than seeing somebody make a profit from it.

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Posted: 12 Dec 05, 16:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

PieterMC wrote:

I don't know if I would call it unfair, but I can understand where you are coming from.

Once something is on ebay I would rather see it shared here than seeing somebody make a profit from it.


I do totalle agree with you PieterMC. I think we all love music and by sharing everyone can enjoy good music and not only those who can afford to pay a fortune for a bootleg!
What's the deal of rarity, if some recording is very good, why should only a few people be able to listen to it? IN other words: rarity is selfishness

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Posted: 12 Dec 05, 17:32 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

PieterMC wrote:

I don't know if I would call it unfair, but I can understand where you are coming from.

Once something is on ebay I would rather see it shared here than seeing somebody make a profit from it.


Hear, Hear.


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Posted: 12 Dec 05, 17:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well, why not let eyeryone have what they want? Why create false value for something that the creators(the band in concert) never put a price on themselves.

Its music, right?

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Posted: 12 Dec 05, 19:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It's unfair to expect serious collectors to just give up trading leverage for the sake of sharing. They work hard to obtain these rare collections and the not so serious collectors come to a site like this and expect them to share the rare concerts.
You talk about sharing, how often do I see hundreds of people download a concert and only a handful end up seeding. I have 2 requests posted for over a week and not one of the hundreds of downloaders offered to seed. That's fucking pathetic, and they got the concert for free.
I've become familiar with those who truely shares and I have no problems with helping them out when I can.
Maybe this site needs to announce IP addresses of those who only take and don't share.


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Posted: 12 Dec 05, 19:45 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

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Posted: 12 Dec 05, 20:07 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I agree, sharing everything available would be a better way for everyone, no backstabbing, hoarding or just generally being greedy, but as you all know some collectors work really hard at finding all these rare gems, so why sould they just give them up freely? I can see both sides of the argument. But personally, I would share something rather than keep it to myself & if EVERYONE did the same (Greg Brooks) all the Queen fans of the world be happy (y'know we ALL!! do have a common goal & should pull together). A lesson taught in childhood by my parents was to share, it makes the world a better place.

I just wish the people who have found the cure for the common cold, would share it & put it on the market. Sniff!! Sniff!!

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Posted: 12 Dec 05, 20:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Well think of it like this, the DVDs you buy wont take up as much space as downloaded videos. I know because I had a few concerts on here and then my computer crashed because of it.


Well here's my counter-offer... do I have to kill you? What if I were just to kick the ever loving shit out of you?
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Posted: 13 Dec 05, 03:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

You could always burn your downloaded videos to DVD and free up the hard drive.

& Sith, the above reason is why it's difficult to keep on seeding torrents for weeks on end. Once I've achieved a decent share ratio, it's time to burn the files and delete. Perhaps uploading to Rapidshare with a Premium account is an answer. Saves time for the original uploader, people get it faster and Rapidshare will never delete the files as long as your account is live.

A torrent first posted in July 2004 (Melbourne) on a relatively small board is unlikely to have any seeders. Perhaps you should request it to be re-uploaded as a new torrent or Rapidshared.



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Posted: 13 Dec 05, 07:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I totally agree with point that some concerts would not be shared that easy or not at all. Some people wait months or years to build up their collection to trade something from their own,which is rare, against some other bootlegs which is rare. This is the great plessure of collecting I think. I personally looked out for the Minneapolis '80 DVD for years. 2 months ago I finally got it and now....

Okay I understand that you can't keep everything within the real traderscircuit for years and someday their will be something on Queenzone or some other site. But this way of publication isn't good for everyone.

Real Queentraders are becoming affraid to trade something because they think you get the same situation as on Queenzone. In the last few months the rare bootlegs are in a rollercoaster situation.

And I personally hate people who use Queenzone as a link to Ebay. and sell their ripped bootlegs for 30 dollars, like Houston 77. These people are in my opinion no Queenfans but just pieces of Shit!




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Posted: 13 Dec 05, 10:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Manic wrote:

You could always burn your downloaded videos to DVD and free up the hard drive.

& Sith, the above reason is why it's difficult to keep on seeding torrents for weeks on end. Once I've achieved a decent share ratio, it's time to burn the files and delete. Perhaps uploading to Rapidshare with a Premium account is an answer. Saves time for the original uploader, people get it faster and Rapidshare will never delete the files as long as your account is live.

A torrent first posted in July 2004 (Melbourne) on a relatively small board is unlikely to have any seeders. Perhaps you should request it to be re-uploaded as a new torrent or Rapidshared.


I agree with you about the torrent (Melbourne) being made available in 2004 and perhaps most people already burned the concert onto CD to clear their hard drive but the only point I'm trying to make here is that people are complaining that Collectors should share their rare collections but it's becoming hard to get people to share concerts that they downloaded from QZ or Dimeadozen for free, so how can one expect a collector to just give up a prized possesion? Just so you'll know, I'm not one of those collectors.
I check out this site religiously and noticed that its the same handful of members who do announces and re-announces or even bother to answer requests.



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Posted: 13 Dec 05, 10:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

you all seem to know what your talking about,so in your opinion what is the rarest queen video

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Posted: 13 Dec 05, 10:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

My main problem is not with people sharing rare material but with people who sell it, such as Queencollector.com

I think it is crazy that he is charging $15 for a copy of a DVD. It is also insane that he is allowed to get away with selling DVD copies of material that has been officially released on VHS.

If somebody wants to share a rare recording then fine, but don't do it if you have received that item in a trade and were asked not to share it.

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Posted: 13 Dec 05, 11:02 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

"you all seem to know what your talking about,so in your opinion what is the rarest queen video"

I'd definitely go with taylorgaga's rare Limewire'd video of Freddie Mercury talking about AIDS and crying.


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Posted: 13 Dec 05, 11:22 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It happens. I'm sure many things will still be rare for a couple of years.


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Posted: 13 Dec 05, 12:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Why do you want something? Because of its rareness, or to listen/watch it?

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Posted: 13 Dec 05, 12:29 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Zebonka12 wrote:

"you all seem to know what your talking about,so in your opinion what is the rarest queen video"

I'd definitely go with taylorgaga's rare Limewire'd video of Freddie Mercury talking about AIDS and crying.


Such a shame he deleted that file before he could share it with us.


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Posted: 13 Dec 05, 12:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

It's the development of technology, not a change in attitude. The sport is to reveal the secrets, not to keep them. Soon the hardcore collectors will focus on memorabilia rather than on copyable items.


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