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Posted: 10 Jan 06, 02:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I always thought that John Deacon pretty much stayed with a Fender Precision or Jazz bass, but I recently was watching Greatest Video Hits 2 and John was playing a Warwick Zebrano Buzzard. This is the same bass guitar that was designed by John Entwistle of THE WHO! Now, that's a show I would like to see. Queen and The Who on the same bill playing full sets.


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Posted: 10 Jan 06, 02:44 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John used it only on that Montreux performance, not on live shows.

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Posted: 10 Jan 06, 11:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John Entwistle was approached by Warwick with a view to him exclusively using their bass guitars. I would imagine that John Deacon saw this as an opportunity to try to finally learn to play something OTHER than the standard Fender Precision.

He would have been well-served in approaching John for tips on "How To Play Bass Guitar" too.....

:-)

Go here for a detailed examination of the Warwick products John Entwistle used / designed:

http://www.thewho.net/whotabs/equipment/bass/equip-entwistlegear-86-02.html

As for Queen and The Who on the same bill? Never could have possibly happened. Regardless of how potentially great Queen may have been from '73 to '76, The Who's audience would NEVER have allowed Queen to finish a show; especially in the USA. Quite what Keith Moon would have made of Freddie Mercury I don't know and I would guess that Roger Daltrey (known not to be especially tolerant of the gay community in the 1970's and vehemently rejecting any material Townshend proposed for The Who which had any gay connotations) would have given him short shrift too.


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Posted: 10 Jan 06, 14:39 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Serry... wrote:

John used it only on that Montreux performance, not on live shows.


I've heard John also used the Warwick Buzzard in the studio. In The Invisible Man there is a part played with that bassguitar. You can hear the part in the rear speakers, if you listen it in 5.1 surround.


John: "It's the one thing I wish I could do - sing."

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Posted: 10 Jan 06, 19:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Gee, talk about overkill. Unfunny overkill.

edit: Benn, what's your email address? I'd love to pick your ear about The Who.

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Posted: 10 Jan 06, 19:49 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Im sure I heard years ago, or read in a fan club mag or something that John borrowed that guitar from Entwhistle for a while or Entwhistle sent him one as a gift. Im pretty sure that thats fact.


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Posted: 11 Jan 06, 06:52 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Dennis, re:

>Roger Daltrey: "Freddie can sing higher than >me. Is better looking than me, and he's a bit >nicer than me"

Knowing Roger, this was said to camera for the FM tribute - why would he be "totally" honest before performing at something like that show?

>The Who's song "I'm A Boy" from 1965 is about a >homosexual boy. And they try to convince the >listner Bill (the gay boy) is nothing less than >any other.

If you had ever bothered listening to the lyric, there is not one single reference to homosexuality in there. The boy is clearly in a family of three older sisters (Jean-Mair, Filicity & Sally-Joy) and it is THEY who dress him as a girl and play with him as if they had a baby sister. Bill (the boy), CLEARLY identifies himself as a "headcase" and he wants to play cricket, ride his bike and do other "boy" things.

Give me ONE reference to homosexuality in that song.

>Nasty Oncle Ernie (Tommy opera) was gay.

Written and sung by John Entwistle - never even offered to Roger for him to sing as John was fiercely protective of his own material at that point (1968 - 1972)

>In 1975's Tommy movie, (wich The Who produced) >Oliver Reed and Paul Nicholas had a role.Oliver >Reed a main part, Paul Nicholas a smaller, but >unforgettable part) These two persons where >both openly gay.

>Keith Moon had sex with Oliver Reed in the >toilets during the shootings of these films. >And Daltrey knew.

You are CLEARLY a dickhead.

>Keith Moon was bisexual.

Any evidence to support this? You are becoming more of a dickhead as you go along.....

>So there is NO way to think Roger Daltrey was a >homophoob or had anything against homosexuals.

A homophoob? No, I'm sure he wasn't one of those, whatever that may be.

The whole point is that Roger's attitude has always been one of glancing over his shoulder at homosexuality.

Pete Townshend offered the song "Rough Boys" to the collection of songs that were to be included on what turned out to be "It's Hard" (1982). Roger refused to sing the song because he couldn't identify with the main character in the song which was a gay man (and reference to Pete's teenage problems). The song would have been idea for Roger's voice, but the subject matter was too tough for him to handle. Daltrey ended up playing the part of a gay man in a film (which I can't remember the title of). Showing how his attitude had changed.

>So Benn, I guess your theory is wrong :P




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Posted: 11 Jan 06, 06:53 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Lester,

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Mail away!


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Posted: 11 Jan 06, 10:31 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Benn, and Lester re: The Who.

What are your thoughts on "Rough boys" and "And I moved" from Empty Glass? Pete Townshend dedicates "Rough boys" to the Sex Pistols and his daughters in the liner notes, and I recall that around the time that Empty Glass was released, he said that he wrote "And I moved" for Bette Midler, but because it was allegedly about a rape, she felt it was too difficult to sing. After Pete announced that he had indulged in homosexual affairs right around the time that "Tommy" launched on Broadway, I looked at that song a little differently. Not trying to be salacious here, just curious if you think that these particular songs were intentionally well disguised by Pete, who was afraid to announce his bisexuality at the time.


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Posted: 11 Jan 06, 10:47 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Honestly, I thought the official word was that Pete was completely straight, and that 'Rough Boys' was just him writing through someone else's eyes. The 1989 interview where Pete apparently announces his homosexuality was taken out of context, and he set the record straight (no pun intended) a decade later.

And yet, I still view the songs a bit differently now, although it doesn't make me like them less. Knowing that 'And I Moved' was written for Bette Midler makes the context more understandable, but how does one explain "I will be immersed, queen of the fucking universe" in 'I Am An Animal'?

Really, I believe Pete when he says he's straight; he's just a storyteller who writes from different perspectives.

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Posted: 11 Jan 06, 11:37 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Thanks Lester, I think he's definitely had homosexual experiences, but I'm not interested in the "Is he gay?" story, I just think he's such a brilliant writer, it revisits how you look at a song. Obviously I fall on the side of great music is great music, as I'm pretty certain one of the guys in Queen was gay. I do think it would have hurt The Who a lot if he made that interview public while the band was together. Musically and lyrically they were much harder than Queen, and had the whole boys audience thing.


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Posted: 11 Jan 06, 11:48 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Ahh, yes, I see what you're saying now. Yeah, I'm sure he's had a few homosexual experiences - in fact, I think he said that himself in 2002 in a Rolling Stone article - but, as you said, great music is great music.

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Posted: 12 Jan 06, 11:55 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I think that if you take into account the abuse he suffered at the hands of his maternal Grandmother and then the immense influence of a certain Mr. Kit Lambert, you have a teenager that was always subjected to the stranger side of sexuality.

Whether Pete has had "experiences" in the way of homosexuality, I have no idea. I think that his autobiography "The Boy Who Heard Music", when it eventually is published, will open a number of doors on this. By extension, he will also have to steer well clear of many of the details of his arrest and the allegations levelled against him, but I believ we will get to know more about his state of mind and the effects / fall-out.

Pete gave an interview to Ira Robins of Rolling Stone (I believe) in either 2000 or 2002 and this subject was raised then. From memory, Pete kind-s landed himself in the shit about his "leaning", but I think he then posted a diary entry to his website that put the interview and his comments into context. Pete being Pete was shooting from the hip and Ms Robins wrote the piece in such a way that people were left thinking Pete was a complete homo.


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Posted: 12 Jan 06, 12:05 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Sorry - Pete's autobiography should be titled "Pete Townshend - Who He?".


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Posted: 15 Jan 06, 23:10 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

OK, so this thread took on a funny sexuality tone. Who really gives a rats ass if they're straight or gay? That's the viewpoint from San Francisco. It just doesn't matter to us.

My point was that both bands put on amazing LIVE performances that were about the music. My favorite Queen concert was in 1977 with the crown lighting rig. Simply amazing when the lights went down and the fog started streaming out from the bottom of the crown. My favorite WHO concert was from 1982 during their first "farewell" concert. Different bands, same high powered energy!

To me, it is all about the passion in the music. It was like seeing the Clash and the Ramones in 1979 (different concerts, but that would have also been a GREAT double bill).




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Posted: 16 Jan 06, 03:42 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Benn said:-

"The whole point is that Roger's attitude has always been one of glancing over his shoulder at homosexuality".

Sorry, but for some reason I burst out laughing when I read that! Very childish I know.


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Posted: 16 Jan 06, 05:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote


We should talk about Buzzards, no ? ;)

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Posted: 16 Jan 06, 08:28 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

[StArMaN] wrote:


We should talk about Buzzards, no ? ;)


John has his Buzzard mostly in strippers these days.