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Posted: 24 Jan 06, 06:16 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Hi all
I was wondering if u all can help me something - Queen's version of Too Much Love Will Kill You was recorded in either 1990 or 1991 and Brian's version was recorded and released in 1992, but Queen's version wasn't released until 1995. So which is the cover version?
I would appreciate all of your help. :)
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Posted: 24 Jan 06, 06:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Queen's version was recorded in 1988.

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Posted: 24 Jan 06, 06:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Serry... wrote:

Queen's version was recorded in 1988.


was it? didnt know that.


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Posted: 24 Jan 06, 06:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yes, it was planned to be on The Miracle album. Answering your question: Brian, I think. But since this song was written by him, I don't know if it's possible to cover your own song...

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Posted: 24 Jan 06, 08:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Queen's version is the cover version.


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Posted: 24 Jan 06, 08:35 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote


Who wrote that song? I mean, I know their names, but who are the other two? How do they know Brian? It's just that I've never heard of them except that they co-wrote TMLWKY.


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Posted: 24 Jan 06, 09:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Brian's friends.

"This is a song which I wrote, quite a few years ago with some friends" 20/4/1992

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Posted: 24 Jan 06, 10:01 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John S Stuart wrote:

Queen's version is the cover version.


I don't agree.
I think Brian did the cover. He wrote the song with the intention to make a Queen song out of it. And it happened, but they didn't put it on The Miracle for copyright problems (the song is by May-Lamerz-Muskers, not only by Brian).
So he covered himself later on, in the 1992 with his own version. It may sound weird, but I think it's right.

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Posted: 24 Jan 06, 10:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Can it really be considered a cover if he wrote it? I can understand maybe if Roger had recorded it, then it could technically be considered a cover. Obviously, Brian considered the song good enough, and if Queen weren't going to use it (at the time), then he just re-recorded it for himself.

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Posted: 24 Jan 06, 11:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

rmtaylor wrote:

John S Stuart wrote:

Queen's version is the cover version.


I don't agree.
I think Brian did the cover. He wrote the song with the intention to make a Queen song out of it. And it happened, but they didn't put it on The Miracle for copyright problems (the song is by May-Lamerz-Muskers, not only by Brian).
So he covered himself later on, in the 1992 with his own version. It may sound weird, but I think it's right.


Brian co-wrote the song as a jam session, then semi-professionally recorded the track as a home demo before for taking it into the studio.
I know this because the 'Bell Boy Tape' tells me so - and this existed LONG before the Queen track ever did.

I suppose you are going to tell me next that while Lamar and Muskas were jamming/busking - that they too had this in the back of their mind - as a Queen track also?

Why is it that so many wish to re-write Queen history on a 'gut-feeling', rather than studying the evidence for themselves?

Too Much Love Will Kill You (Brian May)
Intro Demo 3:08 - Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc
First Piano Demo 2:55 - Unreleased: Home Mini-DiscEvery Time Demo 1:38 - Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc
Ending Demo “21 - Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc
Second Verse Demo 1:04 - Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc
“Shit!” Demo 3:11 - Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc
Acoustic Guitar Demo 2:35 - Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc
Home Keyboard Instrumental 4:32 - Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc
First Vocal Demo 4:48 - Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc
Home Duet Demo 4:47 - Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc
1992 Back To The Light Album Version - Parlophone CDPCSD 123
1992 CDs Guitar 4:29 Instrumental
1992 CD Piano (Miss-press) 4:09 Instrumenta l - Hollywood
1992 First Live Version with/out Spoken CD Intro - Freddie Mercury Tribute: 20 April 1992
1992 Brian May Promotional Video - Unreleased: Home Video
1992 Holland Veronica Muziek Veilyny Video - 21 September 1992 - Unreleased: Wanted

Too Much Love Will Kill You (Queen)
1988 Freddie Vocal Guide/Brian Vocal Demo - Unreleased: GB IQFC Convention 2001
1988 Miracle Demo Promo Teaser Tape - Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc
1995 Album Version - Made In Heaven: Parlophone CDPCSD 167
1995 US Promo CD Single Radio 3:52 Edit - US CDS Hollywood PRCD -10546-2
1995 UK VH1 TV Promo - Unreleased: Home Video
1995 Promotional Video: Heart-Ache Made In Heaven The Films: WNR 2066
1998 eYe/Demo 1:47 Edit - Electronic Arts DDE05501 101S





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Posted: 24 Jan 06, 11:21 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

rmtaylor, my dear, when John S. Stuart writes something....believe it, it is gospel. Trust me.

;) Thank you John.


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Posted: 24 Jan 06, 11:24 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Lisser wrote:

rmtaylor, my dear, when John S. Stuart writes something....believe it, it is gospel. Trust me.

;) Thank you John.


Not quite - but close enough! ;-)


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Posted: 24 Jan 06, 11:27 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John, what is 'The Bell Boy Tape'?

How do you come by all this great stuff?


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Posted: 24 Jan 06, 11:34 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

If Brian recorded demo for himself - then yes, Queen covered unreleased Brian's demo, if Brian recorded demo for any other purposes - not for his solo album, then - Brian covered unreleased Queen's track. Otherwise "Keep Passing The Open Windows" is Queen's cover of Freddie's solo track.

If Queen's finished version of "Too Much..." existed before finished Brian's version, therefore in my opinion - Brian covered Queen's track, but since it's his own song and written, probably, not for Queen - "cover" is a wrong word to describe this case.

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Posted: 24 Jan 06, 11:41 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

The 'Bell Boy Tape' was a cassette recording given away by Elizabeth Lamers to a bell-boy at the hotel she was staying at in the latter 1980's (c1986-1988)- Hence the simplicity of the title. (We do know for fact that the first Queen version was recorded c1988 - so Brian's home demo was written in LA sometime before that event).

The tape was put up for auction, so was bid for.

I have listed most of the tracks above.

Other tracks included Brian's 'Sleepy Blues', and his 'Moody keyboard' sounds, which some unfortunately have mistaken for 'Macbeth'.


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Posted: 24 Jan 06, 11:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Very cool thanks, I love this stuff, it's just like Watergate!


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Posted: 24 Jan 06, 12:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Serry... wrote:

If Brian recorded demo for himself - then yes, Queen covered unreleased Brian's demo, if Brian recorded demo for any other purposes - not for his solo album, then - Brian covered unreleased Queen's track. Otherwise "Keep Passing The Open Windows" is Queen's cover of Freddie's solo track.

If Queen's finished version of "Too Much..." existed before finished Brian's version, therefore in my opinion - Brian covered Queen's track, but since it's his own song and written, probably, not for Queen - "cover" is a wrong word to describe this case.


I don't think it is that simple Serry;

I think Brian had written this song (along with some help), but I do not think this was an automatic Queen track - because Freddie was not happy being the singer of songs by others outside Queen.

Infact, the earliest Freddie 'vocal demo' from 1988 - is just Freddie karaoke singing over the Brian May version.
1988 Freddie Vocal Guide/Brian Vocal Demo - Unreleased: GB IQFC Convention 2001

I do not think Freddie sang this song for 'release', but, when 'made In Heaven' was being prepared, they recovered old freddie vocals to pad out the album, (hence the inclusion of 'Heaven For Everyone') - if this is the case, then it must be a Queen cover of a Brian May track - rather than vice-versa.


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Posted: 24 Jan 06, 12:20 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Yes I see your point and I agree - Queen covered the song in fact: they have used Brian's own demo and released it later than Brian, but - let's imagine that MJ releases "There Must Be More..." - is it cover of Freddie's solo track? No. He recorded it before Freddie and with Freddie (as well as Brian recorded Queen's TMLWKY as a member of Queen). So did Freddie covered MJ song? No.

My point is, as I already wrote, "cover" is a wrong word in such cases, IMO.

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Posted: 24 Jan 06, 12:51 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Serry... wrote:

My point is, as I already wrote, "cover" is a wrong word in such cases, IMO.


Hey, that's what I said too!

A cover, as I see it, is a band or artist giving their own interpretation of another band's or artist's song, like a contemporary or a peer.

Does this mean that 'I Was Born To Love You', 'Made In Heaven', 'My Life Has Been Saved', and 'Heaven For Everyone' are covers? I say no, that they're just re-recordings, because they're still related in some way to Queen; 'Tutti Frutti' on Live At Wembley Stadium is a cover.

A similar situation is Mick Jagger's solo song 'Lonely At The Top', which was originally recorded in 1979 for the Rolling Stones album Emotional Rescue. However, he re-recorded it in 1984 for his solo album She's The Boss and it is still credited to Jagger/Richards, whereas other songs are credited to just Jagger. If the Stones were to re-record, say, 'Tumbling Dice' for their next album, I wouldn't consider it a cover because, really, how can a band cover themselves? They wrote the songs. Yet, if the Stones were to re-record 'Little Red Rooster' for their next album - which they originally recorded in 1964 - then it would still be a cover. (Not that I would ever buy that album anyway!)

It's really a grey area, but that's why I love these discussions.

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Posted: 24 Jan 06, 15:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

it is ironic that freddie did sing the song. cause everytime i hear it. i think of him and what he was going through at the time. he was sick. and the lyrics sing torn between your lover and the love you leave behind. the pain will make you crazy you are the victim of your crime. kinda says something doesnt it? i love that song and it bring me to tears. just thinking what freddie was in the beginning of his life and how he ended it being sick and not making people happy. it is really sad song.


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