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Posted: 11 Feb 06, 07:46 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Talk about being spoon-fed!

http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/news/story/0,,1706051,00.html

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School leavers lack basic skills, say universities

Universities are dismayed by the poor levels of literacy and numeracy among school leavers who arrive in higher education expecting to be "spoon-fed", according to a new study.
Tutors at 16 universities - including Oxford and Cambridge - complained that many school leavers lacked a good grip of grammar and had a "fear of numbers".

...Focus groups of 250 lecturers and admissions tutors found that increasing amounts of time were being lost at the beginning of degree courses in remedial work, ranging from maths to essay writing.

"Remedial maths courses are on offer and the department has employed a learning officer to help with 'how to learn'," one tutor told the Nuffield study.

Another said: "No actual civil engineering is done in the first semester, and the second year material has now moved to the third year."

Comments on written work included: "They cut and paste essays from the web. Reading books is a skill which has been lost."

An admissions tutor at a "selecting" university said: "I was able to skim the cream of candidates, but even they do not necessarily know how to use an apostrophe."

Physics admissions tutors complained: "They can't even write in sentences. Their spelling is appalling. They can't be understood ... they graduate with a 2:1 but they still can't spell or write English."

And from biology admissions tutors: "Elementary maths is missing. They can't put decent sentences together" and "Students hate numbers, they're scared stiff of numbers."



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Posted: 11 Feb 06, 08:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Mr. Tampon Tea. The QZ Whore. wrote:



PS: How is that arm going Mr. John S?


It ain't - that's why I am bitter and twisted - and about to take over the world!

But with my good arm - I stroke a white pussy!


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Posted: 11 Feb 06, 21:57 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

John S Stuart wrote:

Mr. Tampon Tea. The QZ Whore. wrote:



PS: How is that arm going Mr. John S?


It ain't - that's why I am bitter and twisted - and about to take over the world!

But with my good arm - I stroke a white pussy!


And how does the wife feel about that?! :-)

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Posted: 11 Feb 06, 22:09 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

But is this relevant to United States schools? The most elite American universities generally will not take mediocrity from any student - unless, of course, they are a minority. Damn affirmative action.


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Posted: 11 Feb 06, 22:13 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Music Man wrote:

But is this relevant to United States schools? The most elite American universities generally will not take mediocrity from any student - unless, of course, they are a minority. Damn affirmative action.


well, it kind of is similar. Only about 30% of the people who go to college actually graduate. And, no, Tommy Boy doesnt count.


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Posted: 11 Feb 06, 23:14 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

I'm in the 30%! Woot.


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Posted: 11 Feb 06, 23:18 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote:



Only about 30% of the people who go to college actually graduate.


What the hell? Maybe if you play D-1 football.

If a school graduated only 30%, it would go out of business quickly. Grad rates are higher than that, though the minority get them done in 4 years. Most students take 5-6 years anymore, especially if their fraternity is under double secret probation.

EDIT - after looking through some stats, including those from the NCAA, it looks like the nation average is around 50%-60%. Community Colleges are lower, which may affect the overall average.


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Posted: 12 Feb 06, 04:04 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

<font color=blk>Sasha<font color=red>38 wrote:

wot duz thes all meen?


dat u shud spel propah inglesh b4 u go 2 hi-R edUcazion. leern to wryte Sayes 2




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Posted: 12 Feb 06, 10:38 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

Zeni wrote:

Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote:



Only about 30% of the people who go to college actually graduate.


What the hell? Maybe if you play D-1 football.

If a school graduated only 30%, it would go out of business quickly. Grad rates are higher than that, though the minority get them done in 4 years. Most students take 5-6 years anymore, especially if their fraternity is under double secret probation.

EDIT - after looking through some stats, including those from the NCAA, it looks like the nation average is around 50%-60%. Community Colleges are lower, which may affect the overall average.


I graduated with my four year degree in four years. Although I had to go summers as well to get in all my classes because I had many practicums to complete. I had to finish my degree in four years because my dad said all he was paying for was four years. I'm thankful for that too. I've been out of college for 9 years and I've got friends who started the same time as me and are STILL working on their four year degree.


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Posted: 12 Feb 06, 11:11 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote

music man wrote:
"But is this relevant to United States schools? The most elite American universities generally will not take mediocrity from any student - unless, of course, they are a minority. Damn affirmative action. "

How DID Bush get admitted to Yale? Oh, yes, due to the color of 'green' and family connections.

And all those 6'10" kids who can rebound, regardless of race, are admitted because....?????


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